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[Whitten]

While I think your basic request is absolutely valid, and I’m sure other Toontrack customers would appreciate the feature as you describe it, I do think you are going in a bit hard – maybe it’s something cultural, or a language issue?
There is no ‘breach of functionality’ and it isn’t the case that ‘electric drumsampling is a whole new game’ for Toontrack and as a result things have gone wrong.
It’s just a different way of doing things.
As Scott alluded to, EZX Electronic has been available for a good while and this is the first time someone has claimed it’s ‘wrong’ or non-functioning.

However, Toontrack always want to do better I’m sure. they’ve had a pretty good record responding to customer feedback, so perhaps your wish will be granted.

[Whitten]

To my ears Evil Drums is a rockier version of C&V, obviously applicable to the current music sound and offering two different room sounds (whereas C&V is pretty dry).
I know Baressi used eq and worked in the same way he does when on an actual tracking session, but the drums just sound more natural than Avatar to me.

[Whitten]

To my ears Evil Drums sounds more gritty than Avatar, a little less obviously processed and (dodgy description alert) more organic.

[Whitten]

Thanks Scott.

ORIGINAL: triple D

Well why didn’t you. I wanted to start a topic about this to innitiate a discussion.

Actually I said what I did out of respect to you.
I personally don’t need the feature you’ve requested.
Rather than shoot you down (with a -1 ) I decided to contribute with a workaround of sorts, just in case it hadn’t occurred to you.
I’m sure other users would like a sample preview, so your post is entirely valid.
On the other hand I’m a NI Maschine owner. It has hundreds more samples than EZX Electronic.
It also has sample preview but I rarely use it.
Most often I’m working on a piece of music and as such I’ll often have worked on a basic drum part.
If I then want to change sounds, I drag them into the sample player (like selecting them in the EZX drop down) so I can hear them in the context of the drum part and the backing music.
That’s just the way I do it.

[Whitten]

ORIGINAL: triple D

I was in no way rude to Mr Whitten I have the right to feel insulted if someone is not taken my point seriously.

Dude.
I made absolutely no comment on the validity of your request.
I just suggested a different way of doing things. Perhaps to help you manage an issue you have which isn’t going to change quickly – is that a crime in your eyes?
Look at my post!
One reason for posting what I did is that you sounded frustrated, and it’s highly likely that even if your request was taken onboard, it would be weeks, or more likely months before it was available to you as a downloadable upgrade.
You didn’t say anything about your personal expertise and experience in the original post. Fact is, we get a lot of posters who are inexperienced with the Toontrack software and commonly something like EZdrummer is their first experience using music software… period.
Like I said, I just offered a technique based on my personal use of the EZX Electronic.
Sorry you found that insulting.
I hadn’t looked at my forum tag. I have no control over it actually.
Last time I looked it said something like ‘VIP: Consultant’. I certainly am not a ‘betatester’.
I’ve never thought the tag was that important. If you think it is, or anyone else, I’m happy to instruct the powers that be modify it to something more accurate and/or humble.

[Whitten]

Whatever.
I was really trying to help by explaining what I do.

[Whitten]

In your shoes I set up my sequencer (Logic, Pro Tools etc) to play a drum groove, loop it for one bar and go to the Toon kit construct window.
Then as the drums play you drop down the window for each kit part and audition sounds.
It literally takes seconds to load each piece in the Electronic EZX. You can check out 20 or more snare drums in a minute or so.

[Whitten]

There is no strict limit, but you have to contact Toontrack, explain the situation and ask for further authorizations.
If I were in your shoes however, I wouldn’t even go near my authorizations until I’d sorted out the computer and settled on a stable system.

[Whitten]

ORIGINAL: Markham

Generally speaking, I’m very sympathetic to what you’re saying here.

+1

I tend to think a lot of drum packs cater to folks who want drums to be fairly busy and to be the focus of a mix.

+2

[Whitten]

I actually think it’s often a two way street to be fair.
Parties agree to a joint business venture.
Various reasons would hinder such a process between two equal partners – personalities, financial viability of the project, a shared interest in working together.

[Whitten]

Part of the problem is that everyone’s ‘engine’ works in a different manner.

[Whitten]

I agree with you, editing fills is 1) a pain, and 2) not so great if you are trying to audition suitable fills in their unedited form.
Did you say the fills in C&V were ‘not cutting it’?

[Whitten]

Buy Custom & Vintage, or get someone to send you the midi.

IMO, Gadd isn’t the simplest of players either.

[Whitten]

Hard to achieve any deep audio analysis using mp3’s!

[Whitten]

I played around with it for the first time a few days ago.
A great little tool. You can just load any preset and quite often something nice occurs.
Handy piece of software to have in the kit back methinks.

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