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Cheers GORILLA,

It’s been a lot of fun but we’ve been working hard to try and get a sound that’s been both contemporary and heavy yet still kinda melodic and eclectic, we want it to be seamless to the ear but difficult to emulate hehe

Anyway we have more tracks and mixes coming up shortly so we’ll definitely keep everyone here posted as it’s been a great forum to hang around on and generally soak up some advice, and of course to hopefully help someone else out aswell in the process. We’ve been working on this project for quite a while now and we feel that we have the material up to scratch and ready for people’s ears but if anyone would like to tell us what they thought, or did/didn’t like that would be really helpful 🙂

All the best

David + All the guys @ VOLiTiAN

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I totally agree with what your saying to an extent, but without opening a huge can of worms, technology’s advances has meant exactly that, you CAN purchase premium quality synth in software and if it’s coded right then it can be cheap AND still maintain a leading sound.

There is the other aspect which pertains directly to Omnisphere, in that this synth was particularly special due to the samples they’d used and hw they were obtained, so people were paying for a great engine PLUS the very individual samples, but it’s not to say the omnisphere engine surpases all others, i mean in terms of just sheer processing things like NI Absynth or FAW Circle do hold their own very well indeed…..

Also there is the very subjective topic that would dictate, WHO defines who or what sounds good or a higher quality? The recording arstist who’s done a few tweaks and found “their sound” and so the marketing machine kicks off? The mastering engineer who’s reveered by his peers tries one brand and therefore we’re used to hearing what is “cutting edge” and by default wanting it? It’s even down to the speakers the room and ears the price the UI the compatibility, everything dictates our perception of a plugin, the chances are you might recommend a smaller synth more often because you couldn’t believe how much value for money it was and how much you’ve used it? There are alot of specs on the market and admittedly there are going to be specific benefits (S:N Ratios etc) but it almost comes back to the can you “hear” 24bit? You don’t get that *response* when it’s not valves, that saturation doesn’t sound very analogue…. everyone has their preference and what works for them, the key is really finding the programs weaks spots and how much they hinder things for you, and don’t even get me started on Yamaha NS10’s hehehe

Regards

David @ VOLiTiAN

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Native Instruments Vapour, ReFX Vanguard, USB Extreme FX, NI Absynth 5, Heavyocity Evolve, and Zero G Phaedra are just a snippetof my “go to” synths, but as mentioned before Omnisphere is a great synth…

Regards

David @ VOLiTiAN

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ORIGINAL: FarBeyond

Peavey Revalver –  the first real tube amp company to make an amp simulator software.  The claim of 99% accurate tube amp modeling is definetly valid – but then again – modeling peavey amps does not say too much.  With that being said, this is the most intricate tweakable amp sim where you can even go into the guts of the amp to tweak the values of resistors. Unfortunately the manual does not tell you what each component does but the peavey staff has forwarded me to some great articles that show what to tweak for different types of sounds.   As it turned out – you can easily modify any of the peavery heads into almost any sound you crave and almost any pro tone – but not any tone.  But its too much work.  And most of the cabs sound awful.  Only a couple of cab-speaker mic variations are pleasant to the ear – but they are not inter matchable..   the many other speaker, cab, mic options are simply unacceptable in this day and age.  With that said Peavey revalver still receives an 8/10.

I think it’s also worth mentioning that you can still get the original Alien Connections Revalver 2 which a lot of people widely regard as better, more organic and a touch less fiddly than it’s successor…. and revalver 4 is on the way now….

David @ VOLiTiAN

p.s. you forgot to mention the slayer plugin, classic POS 🙂

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ORIGINAL: FarBeyond

If only this Fractal company had proper marketing.  I dont think they realize how much potential business they are losing out on due to insufficient marketing. 

Sorry for dragging up the thread from the dead, but I thought that the marketing line was v.funny, Fractal Audio have a min 2-3 month waiting list due to the fact they can’t keep up with demand, it’s ironic they have had to do no marketing, the public and youtube videos have done it all for them – genius

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ORIGINAL: sigod

I’m with Vapourhead on this. I too own a similar suite (Eleven & Sans Amp) courtesy of my PTle rig of guitar plugins and while both are usable, I find that my PodXT still edges them both on tightness and the way it responds when I really dig into the strings.

Man you need to ditch the plugins, the hardware Sansamp is *leagues* beyond the pod…

David @ VOLiTiAN

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To be honest of all the “greats” Vai just loves to show off his nipple ring which frankly isn’t the first thing you wanna see when learning technique lol

It’s amazing really, a lot of these players have taken very traditional Jazz, Blues, Ethnic influences and blended them together, I’m not saying that any guitarist or genre is better than another, however it’s always handy to look at what others do and make it your own, in fact Nuno Bettencourt is often shown not wanting to show other people his riffs note by note as he’s trying to encourage people to be different, hear what you “think” the notes are and then make the riff your own as it were.

The one thing I’m really missing of late is that real *control* you can hear, so many guitarists just get the fastest technique down and don’t work on nice clean controlled vibrato, or getting a bend actually in tune, it’s so sad because those things should really be instilled waaaaay before blasting across the fretboard. You take technique then add control, you’re only adding control to a certain sub-set of techniques you’re using, yeah sure it lends itself to other areas of your playing, but get in there right at the start, start trying to find those lovely sweet overtones etc and that’ll shine out in even the fastest of runs, and furthermore right across your playing style 🙂

🙂

David @ VOLiTiAN

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ORIGINAL: h.maes

ORIGINAL: Dingo

Anyone have a good site to learn some tapping licks? It seems to be the one thing I can’t really find much on…

At licklibrary.com check out the videos from Andy James on Extreme tapping and also metal soloing techniques 1 to 3. These cover a lot of tapping stuff.

Seconded, aside from that look towards Jennifer Batten, and megadeths new guitarist IMO he’s souless like rusty cooly, however he’s got a technique that’s nice to potentially develop on

and who was talking nonsense about Vai? hmmm show of hands please, he’s right up there with the rock metal greats and you know it 😛 marty friedman, tony macalpine, vinnie moore, jason becker, reb beach etc etc they all love to don the shirtless blazer look from time to time, but they are legends in their own right, i was absolutely blown away when i first heard solos like the ones from Hanger 18 by Megadeth…

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ORIGINAL: mojque

Well first, it seems like there’s some weird degrading compression on the hi-hats. Not sure what that is, but I downloaded the 128kbps mp3 and still heard it. Sounds like broken glass.

In general, the overheads seem to be missing some presence. The snare has a lot of verb and the OH mics don’t sound like they’re in the same room.

The guitar tone you have is very muted. Why not bring it out? You’re obviously playing some cool rhythms, but it’s not very noticable.

Hey man, thanks for the feedback you totally resounded thoughts i already had, the prob was the source tone of the guitars was spiking a bit around 2-2.5k so i was trying to dip that but lost most of the top end in the process and so it was trying to get a balance on various systems but overall i felt the whole mix wasn’t coming together and god knows what was happening with the hats they just went really “lo-fi” and i couldn’t work out where from, either way i’ve put together a new mix, totally stripped it back and started again “sigh”, thanks for the input points were definitely taken onboard, in fact i’ve done a new mix if ya fancy taking a quick look at the new thread i created i’d be interested in your feedback, just out of interest were you using a freq analyzer when listening to the tracks and what nearfields were you listening through, sounds like you’re getting a good heads up on the dimensions of the sounds…

Regards

David @ VOLiTiAN

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ORIGINAL: infernalvoice

hi,
the drum sound is awesome. is this just superiour or with metal foundry?

Hi buddy, yeah you’re totally right, it’s superior with MF, plus a layered snare sound using one of the allaire snares so it’s a bit of a mix and match, thanks for the compliments, i’ve done another mix on another thread if ya fancy having a listen 🙂

Regards

David @ VOLiTiAN

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Cheers Scott, that was the aim of the game to just amp things up a bit, was it too deep for the fast passages? Hopefully goes to show that heavy kick’s can be found in 2.0

Aside from that you still hearing the guitars a being a bit bassy? Out of interest what nearfields are you using?

Cheers again for the ol’ input always much appreciated!

Take it easy

David @ VOLiTiAN

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ORIGINAL: mix2much

I’m surprised no one has mention using a gate.

I couldn’t agree more. Inserted pre or post room/sample bus it can work wonders shaping the sound down whilst still allowing for big hits to keep their full dispersion.

Regards

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Hey hey Scott, cheers for the feedback it’s a bit of an eternal loop finding a mix that works for your perception of what the music should sound like and then of course what sounds best on a majority of systems, what sort of Freq’ would you say is worth cutting on the guitars? I’ve got a low end roll-off on them already so I can just shift that up or scoop a few low-mids if need be, but no offence ever taken, always grateful for the input 🙂

If you fancy taking a look I’ve just posted a different track see if the sound is still there?

Cheers,

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Hi Scott,

Actually I started doing that I found fab-filter pro Q seems to be great at just selecting a freq boosting it like a stupid 30db and moving it to where i could get an overtone that was quite frankly horrendous and then cutting it, the only prob I’m having is how to get the overall sound back up to fitting with anything after I’ve done that – ooo it’s a fun learning curve 🙂

@ The Now,

Thanks for the kind words I’ve started amping up the bass a touch more in the mix and just let that and the kicks fight it out, what did you mean by saying it could be condensed a bit?

Thanks again all, gonna put another track up today all being well, looking forward to seeing what you guys think 🙂

regards

David

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Exactly, instead of a standard compressor which is just looking at the input signal to compress it’s also set to “listen” from whatever channel is bussed to it, so keeps the levels in check then when it’s trigger comes through then it ducks aswell 🙂

Does cubase 4 have their own internal compressor with sidechain? With Cubase 5 they have these plugins already

It’s really simple basically setup the compressor on the guitars, enable the sidechain, then go to the track you want to use as the trigger i.e. kick and open up the channel, go to the sends list on the right hand side, and you should see an option in the drop down menu for side-chains and it should list the name of the track they are on, after than you will have to alter the fader to send more or less signal to the guitars depending on the depth of the compression, if you can’t hear any ducking it’s probably that the comp threshold is too high or the send is too low.

Aside from that if you don’t have the pre-made internal route, dbaudioware works nice, you just insert it on each of the tracks you want to include and set one to “listen” the other to “send” and it pretty much routes it through it’s own dll’s rather than cubase’s routing.

hope that helps! 🙂

You and I are going to have to compare notes with our new batch of mixes 🙂

David @ VOLiTiAN,

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