[Tony]

Thanks Jord,

I’ll check it out.

I also listened to the new pack, Alchemy of Pop,… there might be some promising stuff there with regard to the Toms and how the production/engineering has been applied to them.

Thanks again

Tony

 

[Tony]

Hi Jord,

You say that you could name various EZX packs but if you would do so then I’d appreciate it. Especially the one that you said that you are currently using.

Regards

Tony

[Tony]

Sorry Jord,

I have to disagree. It is a problem. I have now purchased waaaaay too many EZX packs and none have toms with a short “thud” as described by some of the others (in this thread) as being desirable.

If I could find the EZX pack that you suggest may exist I’d be very happy.

Like most people, I like to utilise the toms in my fills but I can’t do it (with EZD) when even a low velocity tom hit results in a note that extends into the rest of the triplet or roll. You end up with a “Wall of Sound” rather than a crisp clean fill.

I’m going to try the gating method in my DAW and see if it can help but I still say Toontrack could actually record solid short duration tom hits in one of the EZX packs.

Regards

 

[Tony]

If you could name the EZX packs then that would be appreciated. I have spent a small fortune on EZX’s and even the ones that purport to have “towelled” or deadened Toms still ring too much.

I do like your suggestion about using an envelope tool. I haven’t tried them on Toms.

For those of us that aren’t sound engineers, I would still suggest that there is a place for some deadened samples “straight out of the box”. Nobody in this thread seems to be saying there shouldn’t be ringy Toms,… I think they just want some variety.

I see that EZD3 has a “towelled” kit. It would be good to hear some opinions on how “dead” the samples are for that kit.

Regards

[Tony]

Excellent thread, and very similar to one that I proposed a few months ago. Some great comments,… hopefully Toontrack is listening.

Musically, I’m not good enough to justify purchasing SD and so I stick with EZD, however, I am appalled by the toms.

I’ve always been able to find a snare or kick to suit what I am doing but the toms always ring too much,… even all those ones that purport to be towelled and so on.

As suggested, the toms that are provided might be good in some genres but I prefer something that is more “thud” than “boing”.

I suggest something like the way Ringo had his toms set for the late ’64 to ’67 period. An even better example would be Cream’s “White Room”. Baker hits those things viciously but the sound dies almost instantly, without being muddy. Makes for a great impact on the fills.

My suggestion was, and still is, a pack such as the Kicks and Snares but for Toms,… and while Toontrack is working on that they may as well do Hats and Cymbals. Variety not just in gear used but also articulations.

Regards to all.

[Tony]

Thanks Scott,

Obviously, I didn’t even know the cymbal swells existed as a category.

I do mostly covers so I tend to program with my own midi.

Sometimes I even play along to the songs and them create the midi from my recordings. My timing on the drums isn’t that great (and I tend to get quite a variation in strike pressure) but it is normally close enough to only require a few fixes of the midi.

I know that Toontrack think of EZD2 and the other products as songwriter tools but I really only use it to get some really great quality samples. The variety of kits means that I’m not stuck with sounds from my kit.

Thanks again

Tony

[Tony]

Hello,

The EZBass product is looking pretty good. The video of the workflow demo’s indicates that a lot of thought has been put in to the product. I can also see the potential for a few expansion packs eg fretless,… and so forth.

One of the aspects that has me very enthusiastic but also concerns me is how it will handle slides. I use EZDrummer 2 and about the only thing that annoys me is the lack of variety in rolls and crescendos that are available for snare and cymbals however I realise that these aspects are highly individualised to each song and fill i.e how many notes, when does the roll start, and is it at a linear speed or quick start to slow finish or vice versa.

Similarly with bass slides,… they are a very expressive part of playing but one slide will not fit all. Can you have portamento or glissando? Many bass slides are a slide up followed by a slide down with only the initial note actually played by the finger (or pick,… if you have to use one…).

Keen to hear a comment from the developers.

T

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