[sonartoontrack]

I just tried changing the trigger setting to the VH-12 and messed around with some of the other settings, including the ones you provided.  It *does* fix the closed pedal issue so only one note triggers, but the transition from open to closed, for me at least, is not as smooth as the VH-11 setting. Also, I get some dropped notes when hitting the hats while opening them quickly.

But I do thank you for your help. I agree, the hi hat seems to be the hardest thing to get right.  Maybe I’ll try a VH-12 at some point and see how that goes.

Phil

[sonartoontrack]

Really?  I think I tried that once but couldn’t get a smooth transition between open and closed hats. I assume the TD-12 would behave the same as a TD-20.

Did you make some other tweaks as well beyond simply changing the trigger type to VH-12? And if so, would you mind posting your settings?  I’d love to give it a try.

Thanks.

Phil

[sonartoontrack]

I’m having the same issue.

I am running S2.2.1 with a TD-20 & VH-11 hi hat. I never even noticed this until I started recording the midi into Sonar.  I’ve done factory resets but it still happens.

I’m pretty happy with the hi hat response in SD except for this issue.  In Sonar, when I close the hi hat pedal, the midi notes show up as G#3 (the closed hi hat) and F#3 (closed bow/tip). And if I knew that a VH-12 would solve the problem I’d consider it since I plan on using SD as my main VST.

I thought I was the only one with this issue, I’m glad it’s not just me. If you ever figure it out please post here..I’ll do the same.

Regards,

Phil

[sonartoontrack]

Food for thought indeed…all fair points, explained very clearly.

Thanks.

Phil

[sonartoontrack]

Rogue,

Thanks for providing your perspective, I do appreciate it. Reading your post leads me to believe that the “best practice” for mapping is, perhaps, situation dependent.  And this is great conversation because I’m learning the “pros” and “cons” of each method.  In my particular case, I’m simply using the PC as a sound engine, not recording midi or anything to be shared, just playing live at practice and need to change kits quickly.

My original post (oddly enough!) wasn’t about hi-hat mapping (although I will ask one question on that later ), but rather mapping my floor tom rims (which play a muted crash and drum roll respectively on the default kit), my hart hammer triggers, and two extra crash cymbals I hook up to the td-20’s aux inputs.  

It’s surprising you bring up the compatibility and exchange issues if I remap in the td-20. I would have thought (as Ron stated) that you are more likely to run into compatibility issues by remapping in the software if you need to share projects. This part confuses me when you state:

“you are recording MIDI that ultimately is tied to a sampler/sound source in particular – that would be by definition a bad thing in my view.”

Not that I’m recording midi…but if I was, wouldn’t it preferable to have the midi tied to the default sounds provided by SD since that is my only sound engine and the midi parts are drum parts?  I’d think having a drum kit that *always* transmits the proper midi note number to the software is the ideal situation…but you have prolly forgotten more than I’ll ever know about SD, so please be patient with me…I’m a little new at this.

Regarding the hi-hat (now that you mention it!), I followed Joe and grandaddy’s directions, even though the instructions were for a vh-11 and a td-10 (I have a vh-11 and tdw-20 and am using Sonar as the host).  I did not have to do any note mapping changes in the td-20 for the hi-hats.  I simply cleared all mappings, then for each articulation, just typed in the appropriate notes from the td-20 module:

hatsCtrl = cc4
hatsTrig = 26 and 22 (for the edge)
hatsTip Trig = 46 and 42 (for the tip/bow)
closed pedal = 44

The final important step was to lower the hard limit value from 127 to 100 for the hatsCtrl articulation only to give me the tight closed hats.  

Really, the only *hi-hat* related question I have is, do I need *two* midi notes each for the hatsTrig and hatsTip Trig articulations? Doesn’t the cc4 value sent from the td-20 determine if the edge/bow is open? I don’t think the td-20 sends different notes for open and closed, at least I don’t see any in Sonar.

As I type this, I realize that I really need to learn more about midi presets.  For instance, can you use the same midi preset for any library or do you need a midi preset for each library?

Rogue, again thanks for your input. If you could answer my question on the hi-hat part, I’d appreciate it.  Now I’m going to go read up on using presets a bit further to get it through my (thick) head.

Final note: Superior Drummer has truly made my whole e-drum experience so much better. Next expansion kit in my future…Latin Kit…whoa, talk about some weird mapping possibilities there I’ll bet!!

Regards,

Phil

[sonartoontrack]

Great!  Glad to hear that’s what you guys endorse also. I’m going to do exactly that…wow, lots to learn but well worth it. http://www.toontrack.com/forum/javascript:void(addSmiley(‘body1′,%20’http://www.toontrack.com/forum/image/s1.gif’))

Thanks for your help! 

Phil

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