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[Shen G]

I’m glad I’m not alone in wanting that kind of virtual drum kit style SDX Wolfgang!

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

That is more producer dependent and has very little bearing on ToonTrack.

I guess that’s what we’re saying.  Instead of a producer focused SDX, a more “what if you had this drum kit” kind of thing.  It’s possible there may be dozens of us.  DOZENS!  That want this.

I do think the tech has come a long way all around.  Such that is it a viable alternative for a lot people when unable access such drums, mics, rooms, engineers etc.  Not to mention the creative opportunities that are possible with e-drums and great samples.

I can imagine issues with some people not like the limitations… “why is it that drum brand not this one.  no buy”.  We have so much genre/era covered already with the producer style series, have to find some differentiator.

Cheers

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

When I first read your post I struggled to think what you could have done for your description to be accurate.  Then loading it up I see what you mean.
The tom samples do sound quite like the same sample.  Just affected with some transient reduction or something for the quieter ones.  And yep, no bow and bell articulations for cymbals.

No wonder I haven’t ever used this SDX and is on my list of regretted purchases.  I honestly think TT do themselves a disservice to the newer stuff by charging the same amount for all their SDX’s.  Sure they are discounted more then the newer ones.  But anyone buying in for the first time, thinking they’ll grab a bundle for value and selecting something from the oldest ones that suits thier taste/style.  Only to be disappointed and not understand what all the fuss is about regarding Superior Drummer.  I know they have good demo’s to listen and judge, but pre-mixed and well made midi can do a lot to sell it.

I think all pre SD3 SDX’s should be at a different price.  I feel like I say it every 3rd post or so but the improvements every subsequent SDX have been rather substantial, especially for an e-drummer.  It seems like a public service announcement now to say, “If it’s the most realistic drum sounds you want, sort by latest release until you find something you like”

*This message has been brought to you by your local SDX hoarder”

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Yeah, spot on.  It doesn’t have any of those alternate tools or snare wires off.  I probably should have mentioned that but I guess I forgot because I rarely use them, in part because of my narrow play style, but also find the drums they choose to use for the rods (probably the only type I’d use), brushes, mallets etc are on the drums I don’t want to use.

Although I have considered asking for/putting the idea out there for an SDX that is going for the most “virtual drum kit” possible.  Instead of spending so much time and effort in to the multiple rooms and kits, just sample a high quality 7+ piece kit thats as universal as possible.  With a modest bunch of snare options that cover as wide a range of sound as possible, a few different sized kicks with some muffling options and enough cymbals to suit different stuff.  And sample it with all the possible tools and have the options to “throw” the wires off on any snare.  Also have the buzz from each snare be appropriate to the snare that’s is in use.  afaik only 1 snare’s buzz is usually sampled?  Perhaps each kit has it’s own default snare sampled now judging by Real to Reel…  I know sometimes a tight piccolo snare will have the loose buzz of a fatty.

But have it be the most customizable, do anything you want with it that you could do if you had it for real.

Not sure which SDX’s you already have, but Legacy of Rock and Decades seem to have the most options for tools.  Along with Stories Iso A room and State of the Art and Jazz Sessions also have a few choices.  I may have missed something.

Cheers.

edit:  also regarding RtR, I turned positional sensing back on on the snare and think they’ve dialed in the off center and edge samples better than last I’ve tried.  Tbh I can’t remember when I tried it last, quite a while/perhaps many SDX’s, but always the found 3 different areas to sound too far from each other, and not really manageable on my Roland PD-128S and Edrumin setup.  Perhaps on 3 different pads.  But playing around on the snare sounded too strange, needing some kind of blending tech to sound natural (SD4 anyone?).  While there is still a bit of that in this SDX, it sounds close enough that I might actually use it, albeit set as close to the edge as I can to avoid accidental triggering.

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

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[Shen G]

While not helping regarding funk presets particularly.  I got to give a plug to https://www.youtube.com/@RecreationMixChallenge

Some of them are kind of “pop” though, whatever that means exactly.  And while like Develop Device, they are mainly focused on heavier metal styles and are very processed, they are laid out well in the mixer so it’s easy to adjust the amount of parallel compression/reverb etc.

They very affordable too.

A handy list is available here:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1za8q-Dkyy1ZPseF37E8KH1AQHdJucehgCR9029fbNpg/edit?gid=0#gid=0

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

David Kennedy wrote:

What bundles if any did SD3 come with? If i buy Foundries, I wont be doubling up will I?

While you can buy as a bundle, it’s optional and you should be able to see if you have any other SDX’s to choose from in SD3.

If your recording via playing e-drums, I highly recommend the SDX’s newer than but including Death and Darkness, as I find them much more natural to play on a kit.  If programming it’s perhaps not such a big deal.

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

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[Shen G]

PS. The Stories SDX also has a kick sub channel 😉

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Cries in 15 second load time for the default Oyster Ambience kit.

This is from a Crucial T500 2TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 SSD.  It benches around 6.5GB/s peak.  Real world copies (eg the Legacy of Rock folder) at around 3.5GB/s until I presume the SLC cache runs out on the Samsung 980 PRO I’m copying to.  But never seems to top around 1GB/s when loading kits, often around 500MB/s.

I speculated in another thread discussing this that the decrypting/decompressing process is single threaded perhaps.  I notice CPU usage staying around that 12.5% a lot on an 8 core CPU, even if SMT is on.  The only time I’ve noticed much higher usage is on kits with more processing going on, particularly pitch shifted instruments.

So I suspect it’s my Ryzen 5700x holding ME back.  Win 10, 32GB’s of ram, set to 8 cores and SSD’s in SD3.

Getting better utilisation from the hardware would be great TT 🙂

 

edit: speeling

Operating system: Windows 10

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

• This post was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Shen G.

[Shen G]

What I want is a Sonor SQ2 kit!

One hasn’t been sampled since SD3 came out, with Tomas Haake’s Custom in the Metal Foundry SDX being the latest I could find.  But the sound quality and playability improvements since SD3, particularly post Death and Darkness, make the older SDX’s a no go for me.

Pleeeease Toontrack!

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

+1

I agree with the problem and that solution seems sensible and doable.

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Sorry man.  I should have thought to provide a sound clip for you to check out.

I still find it to be pretty close and most likely at least the starting point for that song/production.  The kit pieces sound right.  What about it sounds different to you?

I found adding Black Box by Analogue Designs (saturator I think) brings out the high’s of the cymbals a bit and some Shadow Hills Mastering Comp on the drum buss helps it get a bit closer.  Both those are pretty popular on drums afaik.  And the 22″ kick has more low end like the song.

 

Sorry I didn’t/can’t help more.  Well I can try…

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Copy paste from ya other thread:

I have always assumed all the demos would use the presets included, but never bothered to check if I’m being the “ass” in that situation…

There is indeed a preset called Baxter for the Live room, and it indeed does sound like it’s the kit preset used in that track.  But to my amatuer ear it sounds like it had some added compression and perhaps eq/other mild fx for the “full production”.

 

Cheers.

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

I have always assumed all the demos would use the presets included, but never bothered to check if I’m being the “ass” in that situation…

There is indeed a preset called Baxter for the Live room, and it indeed does sound like it’s the kit preset used in that track.  But to my amatuer ear it sounds like it had some added compression and perhaps eq/other mild fx for the “full production”.

 

Cheers.

Reply To: Fields of rock question version: 3.4.0
Operating system: Windows 10

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Plus one for the State of the Art recommendations for the most natural sounding.  Knowing how may toms you have/like, the extra floor tom you might appreciate.  I have enjoyed the excuse to muck around with having a floor tom on the left like it has by default on a couple of the bigger kits.  Bucket of Fish’s never sounded so good! 😀

 

bpjacobsen wrote:

I like the U2 Joshua Tree snare sound. (think bullet the blue sky)

There is a bit of ring to that snare sound though, and leads me to probably my biggest gripe with SotA, there are too many dry/short/doofy sounding snares, and I have a fondness for ring/overtones (90 grunge kid).  Otherwise the tom sounds are perhaps my favourite of any SDX.  So I’d kind of lean toward Stories for that snare sound.

 

drumjack52 wrote:

how’s the percussion in Fields of Rock?

I agree with Jord, it’s good.  But a bunch of it is taken up with foley like samples, which are fun, but the Stories set has more musical options.  So depending if there is something specific you want, I think thats better for percussion.  And if you want to do the cowbell intro part from Killing in the Name, the LP Rock and Salsa Cha Cha Low Cowbell’s are perfect!
Having said that, I much prefer the drum and especially cymbal sounds of FoR.  Probably my favourite SDX for cymbals.

 

My 2c

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Can confirm.  Happened at 31 and 35 velocities.

edit: oh, and it’s on hit articulation to be clear.

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

• This post was modified 7 months, 1 week ago by Shen G.

[Shen G]

eDrumIn also has it’s own “SteadyHats” feature which aims to alleviate the issue Damian describes and IMO does a much better job than SD3’s solution.  I’d guess they wouldn’t play nice having both on at the same time either, but from memory of brief testing I much preferred the eDrumIn solution.

Betting it being improved for SD4 will be one of it’s bigger selling points.

Cheers.

SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

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