Scott Martinez
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Scott MartinezThere is PLENTY you can do to prevent toms from ringing horribly. Mostly, padding the drums themselves to prevent it. I have been a recording engineer for quite a while, and if someone’s toms are doing that, you can do the ‘ol Gaffer Tape and toilet paper trick. It prevents extended ringing. There are also gel packs some drummers carry with them and they help.
After you do that to a tom, you get a nice attack and full sound, but without all of that extra ring that muddies up a dense mix. It’s an easy fix, and why they didn’t include some samples like that is BEYOND me. That type of ring is OK in a song that has room to breathe, but for dense mixes, it’s awful.
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
Scott MartinezI think compression would exacerbate the problem, as it’s the length of time that they ring which is a major bummer.
I would try a high pass and perhaps a gate that has a medium-slow release to start, see what that does. Play with the gate setting to try and minimize the length of the ring.
Let’s cross fingers that, in future, Toontrack provides a remedy or adjustment for this problem. Because it IS a problem.
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
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Thanked by: Magnus FiskvikScott MartinezInteresting….it does seem like it should be a standard offering, especially when a broken snare is included. It wouldn’t take THAT much extra effort considering the rest of the setup. Did you hear this on the Bob Rock collection also? That one seemed to have the best sounding shells overall.
It absolutely SHOULD be. Why it isn’t, is a complete mystery. I’m not familiar with the Bob Rock collection. I’ll have to check it out.
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
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Thanked by: Magnus FiskvikScott Martinez<iframe class=”wp-embedded-content” style=”position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);” title=”“UK Pop EZX” — Toontrack” src=”https://www.toontrack.com/product/uk-pop-ezx/embed/#?secret=UKgSPvAa8a” width=”500″ height=”282″ frameborder=”0″ marginwidth=”0″ marginheight=”0″ scrolling=”no” sandbox=”allow-scripts” data-secret=”UKgSPvAa8a” data-mce-fragment=”1″></iframe>
“Sticks, mallets, regular and towel-damped samples available for select kits”
“From the tight and deep allround tone of the main ‘UK Pop’ preset to the intimate and dampened Beatles-esque ‘Tea Towels,’ the rowdy ‘Carnaby Street’ that hints of T-rex, or the tight and snappy breakbeat-inspired ‘Bristol Eyes,’ the UK Pop EZX covers a broad facet of the British pop wonder.”
Not really sure why you’re posting that. I went to that page and read everything and listened to the samples.
What I’m asking for is a module dedicated to more dampened sounds throughout. That kit is very limited, and you really couldn’t use it for Metal.
OR, add a feature like I mentioned above, that BFD has where you’re able to adjust it as part of the program itself. I don’t even think Superior Drummer has that ability.
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
Scott MartinezSomebody just told me BFD has a DAMPING function and you can also adjust resonance. THIS is what EZ Drummer needs!
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
Scott MartinezChanging parameters on drums, i.e, Q settings and gate never produce as good a result as I would like, and gating sounds very artificial with drums – and the overheads and room mics are still ringy.
I was just told by someone at Toontrack that the EZ Pop kit has a Tea Towels setting – check it out so you can see what I’m talking about (if you care). Still at $89, that is a bit steep considering the rest of the kit is nothing I would really have a use for.
What they need to do is make a kit that is focused primarily on this type of drum treatment. It would be an EXCELLENT addition to the collection. Every studio I have EVER been in, engineers are very familiar with this methodology – so I’m actually surprised it hasn’t been done more often. IMO, it should have been a setting on every one of their modules.
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
Scott MartinezOK yeah, that’s great. But what I’m saying is, it would be nice to have an entire module that is focused on this throughout. I think you will be surprised at how popular it is. It is one of the biggest complaints I hear from most people I talk to about using “computer-generated” drums.
So yes, more of that please. Just having that one setting on that one kit isn’t enough to get me to buy that entire module. $89 for one setting is a bit steep, because the rest of the kit, I personally wouldn’t have any use for.
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
Scott MartinezI wish they had Twisted Kit midi grooves. I don’t really like the sounds, but the MIDI are wonderful! If anyone has any ideas, please hit me up!
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
Scott MartinezThanks John. Nope. Too ringy. Why didn’t you guys include some samples in each case that have been muted? It’s a fairly common procedure in the studio to do this, and it’s also why some drummers do it themselves with gel and such.
It’s surprising to be honest, that you guys DIDN’T do this as an option.
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
Scott MartinezWell, any engineer worth his or her salt would get rid of that excessive ring – because they really can muck up a mix.
I would like to hear from Toontrack – WHY they don’t have samples that are more muted as part of this – which is an otherwise FANTASTIC system. I mean, sure, by themselves, those toms sound GREAT, but again, when you start putting that stuff into a mix, it really needs to be able to be attenuated somewhat in some cases. Currently, there is NO way to do that.
Scott Martinez, Owner/Engineer
Audio Cave Recording Studio
http://www.audiocaverecording.com
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