roland rat
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roland ratYou need to import tempo to SD3. The tab for it is near to the export song as audio files one, in the same drop-down.
I have my song projects in Reaper, and there’s usually a lot of keyboard midi hanging around in there, so I can easily generate a project midi (.mid) file from the drop-down in Reaper. If there’s no midi in the project I can’t do it, but then as I’m a newb, I wouldn’y know. Not sure how PT would do it, but I would guess it is similar.
When you have the .mid file, (mine’s kept in audio D drive for ex) just open the import tempo tab in SD3 and click on the .mid file to load it in. Then, when you export your audio from SD3, make sure that follow host is OFF when you export, or it will come out totally wrong.
Rat.
roland ratI have SD3 loaded as a vst in Reaper. All the tempo and time sig changes are in Reaper, embedded in the project midi (tempo envelope). So it’s as people say, if you have follow host enabled then SD3 will follow the track, although it won’t see the time sigs as far as I know. I use a preset so as to hear what my drums might sound like in a song with processing by an engineer, but run out all my wavs pre-mixer. That way we all send our wavs off effect-free.
If I want to run a kit mp3 or wav out of Reaper, I solo SD3 and render the project. No problem. But if I want to bounce wavs out from SD3 then I have to load the project midi from the Reaper project into SD3, or it will run everything out at the first tempo it sees, which is not helpful in a song with tempo changes. Just about all our songs have tempo changes, so I have to do this for each project. And when you run out wavs in this way btw, turn follow host OFF before you do it, or your wavs will be rogered.
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Thanked by: joey pinter-bilekroland ratYes, in the grid editor click on the grid line for kick and all the diamond notes for kick will turn blue. In the velocity editor at the bottom all those little stalks will be blue as well. Grab one of them and pull it up to 127, and all the rest will go up with it. Then pull one of them down to the value you want. That’s it. It takes about three seconds.
roland ratMe too. I usually end up with something approximate like 10.1 instead of 10!
roland ratJohn you are a star.
roland ratDepends what you’re working to. If other musicians have contributed final parts, then it’s probably best to go with the bass guitar by ear, or by eye, and try to get a line of best fit. If you’re on your own, you can do the same thing without worrying about anybody else. I did an entire album like that by creating a tempo map of sorts using the ride sample (in BFD) and then played in on an e-kit to that, and edited to the ride/ click. It sounded good actually, even though the tempos were varying all over the place within each song.
If your song has a tempo, i.e. 120 bpm, you could work to that very easily, but I suspect your song is ‘wonky’, or as we used to say, ‘live’, and has variable tempo. Without a tempo, or tempo track, I’m not sure how the machine (i.e. S3) is going to assist. But who am I to say …
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Thanked by: Nokturatroland ratThanks John.
roland ratThanks guys.
roland ratExport project midi in your DAW and add the .mid file to SD3 via the track tab in the UI.
I had this problem in running audio out from SD3 in projects that had time sig and tempo changes, where the wavs were not in time with the project. When you add the .mid file you are telling SD3 what happens in the song, because otherwise it won’t know. It will work with follow host switched on when you are working within the VST, but not when you export audio. It will still run out your wavs at the correct speed if the tempo doesn’t change, but you won’t get the time sig subdivisions in the SD click.
By the way, once you have put the midi file in, if you are exporting audio then do so with follow host switched off otherwise the wavs will, again, be out of time.
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Thanked by: Steveroland ratIt’s running everything out at 120 I’ve noticed. So it appears to be ignoring tempo changes and time sigs, treating everything as it would be if it were 4/4 @ 120. That makes for some interesting listening for sure, but not quite what we’re looking for 
roland ratOh hi Jord, thx for input. I was rummaging around to find the info as you can see!
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Rat
roland ratProblem solved from old thread.
If anyone needs to know, find your .mid tempo track file and import it to SD3 using the track tab (import tempo from midi file) in the drums screen. Before you run the audio out make sure you disable ‘follow host’. It works. Phew.
Cheers
Rat
roland ratI had probbies with hats at first.
When you play in, your Roland hat (mine is the VH-11) can send data to SD3 that will trigger in a different way to how you played, and the sound in SD won’t match the VH-11 ‘live’. Change from velocity to CC in the line at the bottom of the UI and strip out all the data. Your hat line will remain in the midi track, but you will now be able to edit it to get it to sound how you want. If you don’t strip out, you can’t change all the midi and some levels and actions will remain, causing you a big headache.
I tried adjusting the settings in the Roland brain to get a perfect trigger but gave up eventually, as I don’t use SD3 as a trigger when I’m gigging, just for recording. And as I was editing the hi-hat part anyway, there was no real point.
roland ratThis has come up many times Klaus. As far as I know — and I am more than happy to be corrected on this — you pretty much get what you are given in SD3 as to cymbals, and there’s not a lot you can do about it.
After trying to add cymbals and slot them into different positions, I saw that the panning wasn’t changing in the stereo field, and there was no access to crashes panning controls. At some point I was advised that because of the ‘way the engine works’ or because of the ‘way cymbals were recorded’, there is no swapping around possible at the moment, and I would have to use cymbals as panned by Toontrack in my kits.
So I went through the preset kits and made a note of which cymbals were right, or left, or centre (not many of those as far as I can see!) and tried to find a right and left crash pair that matches well. There are one or two that work well for this, including a Paiste 2002 pair. So all is certainly not lost, and of course the sound (and different articulations within the individual cymbals) is amazing. But my progressive rock drummer dreams of having cymbals all over the kit are on hold for the moment!
Right now I have the two Paiste crashes, one left, one right, two splashes (a Zildjian and a Paiste, both on the left unfortunately), the ride where it usually is for a right-handed drummer and the china on the right. This arrangement does work well, but even though SD3 is great, the cymbals can feel a bit limiting.
Cheers
Rat
roland ratHi all I think I’ve cracked it.
As well as select a format (48 or 44.1 etc) in project settings, in Reaper you HAVE to tick the ‘project sample rate’ box, otherwise it doesn’t tell SD3 to run out at that rate.
Rat
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