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[rentadrummer]

That’s exactly what I did. I found it easier to start with a remapped kit, or two, on the TD-20, knowing that if I exchange S2 project files with any one else, the mapping will be consistent. It also makes it easier to experiment with new S2 projects, and have one less thing to worry about setting up each time.

[rentadrummer]

I tried an experiment and recorded a snare part using the TD-20 with positional sensing on, positional sensing off and setting the Snare CC to None. There was no difference in the sound while monitoring during recording, and all three sounded like positional sensing was On. It also doesn’t make any difference if I deleted the CC16 information from a track after it’s recorded. So apparently there isn’t anything that can be set differently on the TD-20, or if there is, I’m not aware of it.

Then I tried your suggestion to set the layers of the Edge Articulation to 0, which works. When set to 0 prior to recording, the sounds I heard while monitoring are the same as if there was no positional sensing, which is even better for me. Thanks.

[rentadrummer]

I found a way to restore the original sound by removing the CC16 from the box in the articulations window and entering D1 in the box for the Center. Is there a way to get similar results by making some change on the TD20 instead, so no changes are needed in S2?

[rentadrummer]

I thought that might have something to do with it, but on the TD20 if you select Instrument, Control, MIDI and then Positional Control OFF for both head and rim, should you be able to hear a difference in sound, more like it was previously? If so, I don’t think I hear any changes with it on or off while the new edrum preset is selected.

[rentadrummer]

Doesn’t this accomplish the same thing?

Download the edrum preset in this thread:

http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=61431

and follow all the installation instructions. After installation, make sure that you select it as instructed further down in the same thread.

You might still find that the hi hat works slightly better in TT solo, but this should be very close.

[rentadrummer]

A few suggestions:

Do you have edrum preset installed, mentioned in this thread?

http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=61431&mpage=1&key=&#61771

The VH-12 has a very small playing area for bow sound only. Once you move outside that area you will start to trigger the edge sounds, even if you think you are playing on the bow. I find it more noticeable in S2, than when using the sounds of the TD-20.

You also might have to adjust the hi hat offset on the TD-20 to work properly with S2. I had to increase the offset to get a more closed sound, without having to stomp on the hi hat pedal. This will give you more consistent CC4 data.

One thing that I’ve noticed about S2 is that there is no single top hi hat cymbal sound, like there is when using the sounds on the TD-20, or if there is I’ve never been able to find it. In other words, in S2, even with the hi hats in the open position, if you strike the top cymbal on either the bow or the edge, you will still get a sound as if the two cymbals are slightly touching. I’m not sure why it was done this way, because it’s not quite as accurate as most of the other sounds in S2, but that might be the reason you are getting so much difference in the way the data is being recorded.

[rentadrummer]

ORIGINAL: Russo

Followed the directions above. After saving the user preset the option Finder/Explorer is available.
But when I click on it – no result. Nothing opens. At all.
Any thoughts?

Thanks!

You don’t want to open the file. Once it’s installed in the correct folder: go the Preset Menu, scroll down to MIDI Presets and select the edrum Preset. You’ll see a check mark next to it after it’s selected. That’s it.

[rentadrummer]

ORIGINAL: Rhapsody

I did also download the E-Drum midi presents And installed as follows:select Presets > MIDI > Manage in Finder / Explorer and place the uncompressed file in the folder. Is there any thing else that needs to be done with the presents that I might not be doing. Does the presents folder only have to be placed in the Finder/Explorer folder or does something esle have to be done after that?

Tom

Did you also select the edrum MIDI preset in the pull down menu, after placing it in the folder? Just checking, because it’s not automatically installed into each project until you select it.

[rentadrummer]

In the menu bar across the top of S2, select Presets, then MIDI, then Manage in Finder. It will open the proper window in the Finder. Just drag the file into that window.

[rentadrummer]

ORIGINAL: robertgeorge

Thanks very much for your help Rouge and I’m really trying to solve this problem for me and others and do not mean to disagree BUT the TD-20/VH-12 puts out the same 2 notes D0 and A#1 (and only those 2) regardless if it is open or closed. It uses CC4 to tell the TD-20 if it is open or closed but uses only those 2 notes for the bow/edge. I have both tip/ring/sleeve cables connected and it’s working perfectly. I’m looking right at the midi notes on my screen. When I record ALL the different hi hat articulations from the TD-20/VH-12 and play them back FROM my TD-20 they ALL play back perfectly (bow,edge, closed and open pedal) So I know it’s putting out (and receiving) the correct midi data. When I try and follow your directions (thanks for the detail) and get to trying to map the closed edge and tip – S2 will not take a second instance of those same 2 note numbers D0 and A#1) I guess Roland changed this in the TD-20. (do you have a TD-20/VH-12 to test this?) Hopefully is shedding some light on the problem.

I’m not sure if you’re talking about the same thing, but on the TD-20 if you press Instrument, Control, Hi Hat – it should show you a window with the hi hat mapping, and there are 5 MIDI notes shown. There should be edge- open/closed, bow – open/closed and pedal.

Also, make sure that you remove all of the MIDI notes from the articulations in the Key Map window in S2 before you start mapping. Some of the articulations contain more than one note, which can be seen if you right click on the Key Map window. You need to click Remove 2 or 3 times for all the notes to be deleted. After mapping, even though it appears that some of the articulations for the open/closed sound are the same, if you right click you should see a second note.

[rentadrummer]

Okay. I downloaded the manual, and also saw that under HostStuff/MotuDP there’s something called DrumMaps. How are those used/loaded in Digital Performer, and are they only for DFHS, or can they also be used for EZDrummer, and S2, which is arriving Monday?

[rentadrummer]

ORIGINAL: Rammelt

rentadrummer,

please check under ‘Superior’, then ‘Edrums’.

Best Regards,
John

I knew that. I was just was testing you.

Thanks for the tip.

[rentadrummer]

ORIGINAL: grandaddy

Try looking at the edrum section in the original dfhs manual available in the free downloads area.  There is no reason that you should not get decent performance with your TD-20

Do you have to own DFHS to have access to the manual? I don’t see it in the free downloads section and I’d be interested in reading that section as well.

[rentadrummer]

I’ve been able to get a good closed hi hat sound using the TD-20 and VH-12, but only when monitoring the Nashville kit. The PopRock kit has a more open hi hat sound, and I’ve tried a variety of different settings without success. What I usually do is record and monitor with the Nashville hi hat, and then change the routing to a different instance of the PopRock hi hat for playback. That’s the best solution I’ve found.

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