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[Andrew Payne]

My own solution is to set up an additional x drum based on one of the toms and then adjust pitch, envelope etc to get it to sound like a higher (or lower) tuned version of the original tom. It will also keep similar ambience channels which you can also adjust. I have attached a previous example I posted a while ago where I have turned a Rooms of Hansa rack/floor kit into a 3 rack/2 floor user kit and I have done similar in all my SDX’s (including LOR). I sometimes play around with the concept of which tom to adjust and just work out what gives me the best and most realistic 5 tom kit (and I now do 6 toms on most). Hope this helps. Cheers, Andrew.

Andrew Payne wrote:

I am an e-drummer with a 5 tom (3 x rack and 2 x floor) pad setup so I do this all the time. I create a user instrument based on a racktom or floortom that I like and then I tune these up (or down) accordingly to get the sound I want. I also use other property box presets and effects (eg envelope, effects, transients etc) to dial in a “natural” extra tom sound that fits in with the other toms – I often find that I need more than just tuning up/down to get a tom to sound “right”. I have even “converted” some 2 tom setups in Hansa to give me 5 tom user kits.

I use “add instrument” and “search for instrument” so it loads the tom and appropriate channel setting. I have attached a screen shot to show so you can see my extra floortom complete with channel information and how I have tuned this one down.

 

Hope this helps.

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Reply To: copy settings between toms version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

+1

Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

Not sure if this will help but it is what I have done and I get heaps of volume with core SD3 and all SDX’s that I use.

Scott Huber wrote:

Yes.

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cheers Andrew

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[Andrew Payne]

Create and save your own user preset. see manual under 3.1 and section “USER PRESETS” as these will keep any added instruments or xdrums.

Reply To: Change presets without losing added instruments? version: 3.3.6
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[Andrew Payne]

Thanks John that is very helpful

Reply To: SD3 and EZX Midi Map Don’t Align version: 3.3.6
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[Andrew Payne]

Just wondering if there are any lists or similar that actually show this MIDI mapping for SD3 and any of the SDX’s ? I am using large user kits (with additional user instruments) and want to try and keep the mapping as consistent as possible between SDX’s. As an example for a multi tom kit will the “extra toms” have a unique mapping with those MIDI notes then “free” on a smaller kit in another SDX – or is every SDX significantly different ? And is there an easy way to see this and easily compare – or even be able to download into a spreadsheet or similar? thanks for your help. I am aware of the “keyboard layout” that I have for SD3 and Progressive Foundry but can’t find it anywhere for other SDX’s.

Reply To: SD3 and EZX Midi Map Don’t Align version: 3.3.6
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[Andrew Payne]

I got the Metal Machinery SDX in the sale and the 22″ Ping is spot on !

Reply To: Suggestions for a Ride sound similar to Zildjian Ping 22″ Ride version: 3.3.6
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[Andrew Payne]

Thanks – I might have to take advantage of the sale and look at metal machinery for the ping. Z3 and earth ride would also come in handy. cheers

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[Andrew Payne]

Thanks but I had tried that one and not quite what I am after

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[Andrew Payne]

I do very similar and use buses for each and then route all OH to an OH bus and all ambience (incl surround if I use it) to a “room” bus so the multi outputs which I send to my DAW are like you would get recording real acoustic drums in a studio. I like to keep some of the bleed for realism and adjust this to taste. I also use a separate HH, ride and cymbals bus for recording as it gives me a bit more separate control in my DAW.

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[Andrew Payne]

And more

Reply To: How to setup SD3 with a large ekit using two Alesis Strike Modules? version: 3.3.6
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[Andrew Payne]

Further screenshots.

Reply To: How to setup SD3 with a large ekit using two Alesis Strike Modules? version: 3.3.6
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[Andrew Payne]

OK – DAW not really an issue. Only thing is when and if you do, the way to get low latency is to use a good Audio interface. RME are expensive but fantastic. Suggest also that you put in your profile signature some basic details on your setup so anyone can understand better how to advise. Windows or MAC, Audio interface or not, basic computer specs (processor, RAM etc) as all of these can impact on what you can achieve. Also worth mentioning what libraries you have. My setup details below

1) I change the MIDI note in the main drums tab to match my DTX900 (or additional DTXpress4) modules. eg I change cowbell to be C#-2 to match the pad in my drum module and extra tom to be C2. see screenshot “SD3 1” and “SD3 7” and also “SD3 cowbell” which shows how I change “Hit” to be C#-2. Also I have increased the tuning of this tom C2 (and altered envelope/offset to make it sound real) as it is the first in my set of 6 toms.

2) my whole mapping is shown in “SD3 6”. Some of these are standard SD3 MIDI notes but most are altered to match my module(s). I did have to remap in my second module and then used these in SD3. I use this mapping for ALL user kits I have set up. I have circled mapping of reach of the 6 toms I use and also the cowbell – and also shown the 62 total triggers I use. I have also shown on “SD3 8” my setup for Rooms Of Hansa as this has very few instruments so I have to add lots of user instruments to get my total of 62 triggers. Key thing is that every one of my 80 odd user kits has exactly the same mapping regardless of SD3 or SDX library so I just change kits and don’t have to worry about mapping. I have found that changing mapping in “MIDI-In/E-Drums” is not as reliable. Compromise is I know I cannot use MIDI grooves from SD3 as they will not map correctly but as I stated earlier I do not use SD3 for this and use it solely for playing a “live” e-kit that triggers SD3 sounds.

3) In “Settings” and “MIDI In/E-Drums” I have my own preset that I use for all kits (SD3 2 AP) and you can see this on “SD3 2”. The green values are the non-standard mapped MIDI notes that I have changed.

4) I have to set up lots of user instruments and I also set up a channel for each of these to give me more flexibility in mixing. See “SD3 3” and you can see I have 36 User Mics, 16 buses and 16 Outputs. Note that this is CPU intensive so I record in 16-Bit mode to reduce CPU load. I have a fairly powerful Dell Precision with 64Gb RAM to achieve this and also low latency (along with RME Babyface Pro audio interface). I then use 24-bit for any audio mixdown in my DAW to get the better audio quality.

5) I group my channels and route to 16 buses – see “SD3 4” and these route to 16 outputs – see “SD3 5”. Again I set up each kit the same and each output routes to the same output in my DAW – Out 1/2 and 15 individual outputs that match my inputs in my DAW – see “SD3 10”. I use effects on these buses and also parallel Reverb and parallel Compression and each of my 80 user kits has same setup (but different effects/EQ etc to suit). These DAW inputs then route to 15 group tracks which I can then run as multiple output audio channels or “stems” or a single stereo output channel in my audio mixdown- see “SD3 9”. I always record in MIDI on my DAW as it gives a huge amount of flexibility and I can change to any one of my 80 user kits easily as they are all mapped the same.

6) In “SD3 11” I have shown a copy of my DAW (Cubase) drum map that I use and again each kit uses same mapping so I also have a single standard Cubase template for all my drum recording. Again it is very simple to change kits after recording in MIDI.

6) To answer your questions above you just map cowbell and ride bell to whatever MIDI outputs you have from your Alessis module(s) and same if you move to an edrumin trigger box. Not a lot of module set up and most chanf=ges are in Sd3 but I am not familiar with Alessis so not sure if you need edrumin trigger boxes or not. The main things to get your module set up are sensitivity, velocity curves and eliminating crosstalk but you can also do a lot of this in Sd3. Check out Luke Oswald videos as these go through most of this detail. Link to his first video in “Drum Angle Official” is LIVE STREAM: Superior Drummer 3 w/ E-Drums – Session 1 – YouTube

7) I have highlighted in yellow on “SD3 1” the macro controls that I use. For altering ambience, I “bind” all ambience channels to the “AMB All” macro so I just adjust this up or down to alter ttal ambience. I also do same for OH and some of the Buses.

This is a lot of detail so check out all 4 of Luke Oswalds videos and also the SD3 manual. Let me know if you have any questions.

I am no expert and I am sure there are lots of flaws in what I do and maybe better ways to do it but it works well for me and for what I want to do. cheers, Andrew

Reply To: How to setup SD3 with a large ekit using two Alesis Strike Modules? version: 3.3.6
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[Andrew Payne]

Hi There,

I am not sure exactly what you want from SD3 but it sems like you want to play your current (large) e-kit setup through SD3 and create a mapping that enables this. If this is the case I can give some hints based on what I do but the important thing is that I only play e-kit to trigger SD3 (and record in Cubase DAW) and do not use current MIDI grooves in SD3 for the kits I set up. The reason I say this is that I have created a specific MIDI map that I use based on my e-kit MIDI output (DTX900 in my case) and have created my own kit preset and physically changed all the MIDI notes for each instrument in my user kit in SD3 to match my e-kit MIDI output. I have created a MIDI map in my DAW that is the same. I then create my unique user kit preset in each SD3 library I use (and I have many – total of over 80 kits I have set up). This way regardless of the user kit I use, the triggers are all the same in Sd3 and always the same mapping in Cubase. Takes a while to set it up but once done you don’t have to change anything – except if you use a new SDX library then you make your own user kit as a preset and use same mapping logic. If this sounds like what you are trying to do then let me know and I can share more detail and screenshots if that helps. If you search on posts from me, some of the detail is already on the forum. cheers, Andrew

Reply To: How to setup SD3 with a large ekit using two Alesis Strike Modules? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

As you are probs now aware you can add as many “user instruments” as you like to any SD3 or SDX library. I use 2 modules and have a total of 49 triggers as most pads and cymbals are 3 zone. I have a 6 tom setup so I just add extra tom user instruments on SDX libraries that don’t have that number of toms so you should be able to use all of your drums. cheers, Andrew

Reply To: How to setup SD3 with a large ekit using two Alesis Strike Modules? version: 3.3.6
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