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[Oli Poulsen]

Indeed it would …or Jim Keltner

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[Oli Poulsen]

I bought it too…so even if I never buy EZ packs, I still wanted to check it out after our debacle in the other thread

I like the aesthetics and style, but I miss the bleeds and full sample pool…so I’d still like to see it as a SDX.

I’m sure EZ users will appreciate this pack….personally I might use some of the toms with c&v or some of the other SDX’s.

Of course it’s worth the money…these packs are really cheap if you shop around.

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[Oli Poulsen]

Thanks Rogue!

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[Oli Poulsen]

This is ridiculous…I just fell in head over heels for an offer on Florida Music Company.
They have a great offer on the C&V upgrade…which I never got around to before, but have the old S1 version.

The thing is that it looks like this when you click the product:

“This product is available as a Digital Download through the Toontrack Virtual Stock Software Distribution system. You can choose the Download option from the box above (see below for important details). Download and registration info will be emailed once we process your order (During Office Hours). For regular orders, choose the Retail Box option.
Important! Please Note: If you choose the download option, we can only accept Paypal payments from a confirmed and verified Paypal account. EZ Drummer and the EZX expansion packs can be downloaded in their entirety from Toontrack’s website. The Superior Drummer 2.0 and SDX expansion packs can be partially downloaded from Toontrack, but a separate Installer Disc is necessary for the complete installation. If you already have an Installer Disc, choose the ‘Download Serial Only’ option. If you do not have an Installer Disc, choose the ‘Download Serial And Ship Disc’ option. Shipping charges may apply for the ‘Download Serial And Ship Disc’ option.”

Once you have read the first line…you have clicked “add to cart” …even if your eye catches the “Important! Please Note:” …you read that it’s a paypal issue…and move on.
The thing that gets you going, is that it starts by stating that “This product is available as a Digital Download” …and that is simply misleading the customer

So what do I do now? …I didn’t realize this was only a partial download until I had downloaded and registered.
Shipping the box to Denmark from Florida is over $100

I have the old DVD’s…will they work?

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[Oli Poulsen]

ORIGINAL: Whitten

How do numbers of users compare between EZdrummer and BFD2?
I suspect EZdrummer ‘leads the market’ in terms of users. Do you look to create product for your largest customer segment, or let them eat cake as it were, with cast offs from the SDX line?

If you look at the equipment list on an average EZX, then look at an average SDX, I think you can see the recording sessions would most likely be over more days for an SDX and require larger collections of drums and cymbals. That’s all cash investment on the part of the makers.
If they’d spent weeks recording many more drums and cymbals for Claustrophobic, Twisted, Latin percussion and Funkmasters I don’t think those packs would be economical at $39 to $79.99 each.

Actually in the case of the Nashville/Music City packs, it’s almost identical…just a couple of snares extra, and more choices of kick dampening.
It IS the same recordings…just made available in full resolution 3 years later.
Your EZX already has more kit pieces than the Music City SDX…so I personally would buy it in SDX format just to get the bleeds and full sample count.

The only first release on SDX is the Metal Foundry…so it’s not like the EZ community is a “cast off” in any sense, it’s more the other way around.

I don’t think there is any real interest from the SDX community to get Claustrophobic, Funkmasters and Twisted Kit …those are more in the special/novelty department, and won’t benefit that much from more bleeds and samples.
It’s more the natural drum recordings that really get an added depth and realism in the SDX format…especially when you play them with an E-kit.

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[Oli Poulsen]

ORIGINAL: Whitten
If I could get good commercial use out of an EZX for several months at least, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy it.
How long did it take Nashville to turn into Music City? Where’s that Jazz SDX?

The Nashville EZX came out in February of 2007…and the SDX came 3 years later in April of 2010.
Kinda speaks for itself

I don’t see many asking for a Jazz SDX, and it is kinda radical to go from Metal Foundry or the Baressi SDX to jazz.
Your pack covers exactly what at least I am often looking for…studio drums in a classic fashion and Zildjian hats.

But bottomline is (and this is not of your concern in any way, but just a plea to Toontrack) …please release more SDX!

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[Oli Poulsen]

It is NOT criticism of you or the EZX …which I could well believe is the best ever done. It’s only frustration that those of us that really would like to see it as an SDX can’t get it.

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[Oli Poulsen]

ORIGINAL: Whitten
I don’t accept for a minute this EZX represents ‘the lowest denominator’. You claim to know what I think, but actually I like the EZX expansions I have (Electronic, Jazz, Vintage).

I think the discussion is getting a little too crazy.
‘The Classic’ is an EZX and that’s about it for now.

The lowest denominator as in the “non drum guys” setting the standard for what is excellence…and your attention to detail in sampling these drums clearly isn’t justified as just aiming for that target audience.

The EZX is to electronic drumming as X-factor is to the music industry….the tolerable version of something that could be excellent

And yes, I have produced for X-factor, and no I don’t watch it either.

In all honesty, I think it it’s a bit ironic to watch the nice video’s where you talk about the totally drum-nerdy details, and Helios console etc…and then release it to the audience that couldn’t care less…and just want an easy fix. While the guys who really appreciate the details get left behind.

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[Oli Poulsen]

ORIGINAL: Whitten
You’re kind of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
You can release something like The Classic in SDX and EZX packages at the same time and have people claim you’re doubling your income with the same recordings, or you can make some SDX’s and EZX’s as stand alone products, seemingly upsetting which ever user feels left out.

I really can’t see why anyone should claim that you are doubling your income by releasing both formats at once…it would just let people choose which product they wanted…and pay accordingly.
But by releasing only a EZ version now…and then later releasing a full version would justify more to accuse anyone of doubling their income…if the product released later makes the original EZ buyers feel they need to get the full version.
That was certainly the case with the Nashville kit…but I never bought the EZ version and did not find it satisfying. But I do love the SDX version that I have now.

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[Oli Poulsen]

I don’t think either of us are slamming it at all…on the contrary we just wish we could have the full version.
We all know what the EZ standard offers in terms of bleed and sample pool, and we’d just love to have it in the SDX format.

Don’t take it as a hostile attack on your product.

Yes there are pro guys who are not all about drums, and just want it to be as easy as possible to get a tolerable result.
But Toontrack used the be all about excellence and aim at the best possible and realistic result.
I don’t buy into the argument that the lowest denominator should be the standard…and I know you don’t do either

I can understand the argument that Toontrack needs to make money…thus making it a political decision.

I love the S2.0 platform, and I have been on board since they started with the S1. I just wish they would release more products at a high price and full quality…I’m happy to pay for that.

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[Oli Poulsen]

ORIGINAL: Whitten

I’m personally running Logic at 96k, 24 bit.

Just saying……EZdrummer and the expansions are used by pros (some I know personally).
So it’s not factually correct to say Toontrack aren’t offering anything ‘fresh’ for ‘pros’ until ‘deep in 2011’.

That’s all.
I do take your personal preferences as perfectly valid.

It gets a bit hollow to keep going on about how pros use EZ drummer…when there is a Superior engine from the same company that is far superior.
Reality is that Toontrack has gone more towards the toy marked since the invention of the EZ line…and no doubt that it is far more profitable for them and you.
But please don’t try to patronize us…there are some very competent users out there who utilize the S2.0 engine and packs to the fullest, and no EZ pack is going to appeal to us whatever you say.
The bit rate is not the most important…the number of samples and bleeds is.

Take it more as a compliment that power users really would like to have your pack in its full resolution.

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[Oli Poulsen]

I’m in Copenhagen, and usually just order stuff like that from AudioMidi or some other US site.
It’s often cheaper, and I get it right away…crazy, but works

Anyway…hope they’ll release some more kits soon…not metal, not jazz…just great studio drums.
Would like to see them beat Mixosaurus in just ultra detailed playable drums for e-kits.

And to have ride and cup for all cymbals and more degrees of semi open hats.

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[Oli Poulsen]

ORIGINAL: Rogue

With ProTools 9 being 10.6 only, this is a sign of things to come and a first step in the right direction.

Anyway, my point being, starting work on a memory server at this stage – and I make no secret that none is in the work, or as been attempted – would be a big waste of resources that would make our product development (i.e improved and matured) slow down significantly. I think we owe our user base more than this 😉

Thanks for the clear answer Rogue!

Pro Tools 64 bit is out there in the mist somewhere….oh well

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[Oli Poulsen]

Not really if you are on Pro Tools or many other Mac based DAW’s

Could be quite some time before the big DAW’s are 64 bit

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[Oli Poulsen]

With the rate Sonic Reality and Native Instruments are flooding us with various drumkits, you guys are seriously falling behind.

But the problem with both those companies, is that they don’t have the same detail and amount of layers as Metal Foundry…wich sets the standard IMO.
And their players don’t match up to the S2.0 player at all.

So come on guys…just flood us with great kits!
Less namedropping and just great recordings with full attention to detail

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