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[Jay Coover]

Naw. Cubase > DR-008 > DFH

FTW

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[Jay Coover]

A couple things –
1. There is now an inversion up/down changer in the chord selection wheel area. If the voice leading is not what you would like it to be, use this first.
2. In your DAW it should be simple to change voices. Select the notes and slide them up or down without changing position in time or velocity. It’s easy in Cubase anyway.

EZKeys is pretty intelligent, but you have to expect to do some MIDI editing to get it where you want usually. EZKeys can get you 95% of the way there or better, but you can’t be completely lazy and expect miracles. That said, I have had amazing results without changing much of anything after I drop it into my host.

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[Jay Coover]

Seriously, I think from the announcement, in order of probability
1. Metal EZMix presets from a name producer
2. An update to EZMix
3. SD presets for some of the metal libraries from a name producer
4. Some metal MIDI for drums
5. I would have doubted to see yet another metal drum library, but if there are to be seven metal releases in November, a drum library kind of has to be in the works.

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[Jay Coover]

I predict:
1. EZKeys – Wrought Iron metal piano add-on
2. EZKeys – Fingers of Death MIDI

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[Jay Coover]

I’d like to see a B3 as well, but I think that may come later if at all, for these reasons:

1. The existing MIDI is more likely to work with an electric piano like a Rhodes or a Wurlitzer than with a B3. Organ playing style is another step removed from traditional piano. I’d expect to see a Rhodes or a Wurly before a B3.
2. Emulating a B3 is much more complex than emulating a piano or electric piano. Many more variables, though I’m sure TT are up to the task.

This is just my guess and may ultimately bear very little resemblance to reality.

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[Jay Coover]

A couple things you can do on any kit to try for an older vibe is to put a filter on the output bus and roll off a little high end. Also, on that output bus try moving both panners to center for mono drums.

Sounds like you’re degrading the fidelity a bit when you do it, but that’s the trick. YMMV.

For fun, I’ve tried to turn an Avatar kit into the Mitch Mitchell kit. Kind of like substituting a banana for a lemon in a recipe, when you should have used a lime, but here goes.

http://www.jaycoover.com/stuff/Avatar_Mitch_Mitchell.zip

It’s a start, have at it.

I’m not 100% positive if he’s hitting a snare or a tom on the backbeat. Sounds more like a snare with the snares turned off.

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[Jay Coover]

Yeah, I just loaded up Avatar. There is nothing in your ballpark. It simply is a modern kit recorded in a modern fashion.

You’d be better off with SDX Custom & Vintage, or maybe EZX Vintage Rock, though I have little experience with the latter.

I loaded up SDX Custom & Vintage, picked the Noble & Cooley kit (for the toms & cymbals), switched out the snare with the Tamburo Stave Shell Piccolo, rolled back the bottom snare mic, picked the Slingerland kick and was immediately a lot closer than you can get with Avatar.

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[Jay Coover]

The answer is both fairly simple and not very easy if you’re new to this.

Get Mitch’s reference sound in your head, or have it up on a media player.

At the same time, open up S2 and start auditioning snares, kicks, hihats etc, until you find the closest ones.

Mix and tweak it until it’s where you want it.

Sorry, but there’s no real shortcut, if that’s what you’re looking for. No Mitch Mitchell preset.

I did a search and saw some pictures of him playing what looks to be a Ludwig Sparkle kit. There’s one in Metal Foundry, but there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to get something close with Avatar.

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[Jay Coover]

I hope you can get what you want one day, but for now all those sounds are in C&V. You just need to get in there and pull them out with your own mixing.

Try adding a filter on the out bus and rolling off the top end. If you hear too much ring, edit the release in the envelope of the drum or put a transient plugin on it and pull out the sustain. Put a tape emulator plugin in your host on the Superior out and slam it. Lots of things you can do in the box.

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[Jay Coover]

Yes, of course. A number of ways to add a delay, but if you put a high pass (or any EQ) from the Cubase built-in EQ on the drum track, or an EQ as an insert it will apply to the whole kit, not just the delay slap. You want to filter only the slap. It should be audible, but not full-bandwidth or it will take up too much sonic space.

Using Timeless as an insert and using it’s internal filter and setting the mix there would do the trick, and apply the filter only to the delay.

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[Jay Coover]

I’d be happy to have the chords displayed linearly, or the option to do so.

By the time I’m entering them in EZKeys, I’ve already got the theory worked out, so no need to put them in a circle of fifths. That just makes them harder to find for me.

I want see A, B, C, D, E, etc.

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[Jay Coover]

Well, sort of. I’d like a little more feel than is offered on those. They sound robotic or at least like I could have dropped them in with a mouse. Not impressed on that folder.

Listen to the examples I’ve linked to in the OP.

This request may sound a bit limiting, but there are actually a ton of variations on this simple theme.

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[Jay Coover]

I don’t know that there exists a When the Levee Breaks knock-off groove anywhere in Toontrack MIDI. Maybe do an Internet search for that song plus “MIDI”, grab the drums out of it and tweak it your self. Also, wouldn’t be that hard to program from scratch. Tougher will be getting the feel.

http://www.hamienet.com/midi6073_When-the-Levee-Breaks.html

One other thing for the When the Levee Breaks sound – in your host set a tape delay plug-in to a single 16th note slap. Mix it just so you can barely hear it on the snare. You might have to put a high pass on the delay somehow so that the bass of the kick doesn’t overwhelm.

In Cubase that would mean creating an FX track and putting a highpass insert before the tape delay insert and hitting that as a send from the Superior out track.

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[Jay Coover]

Load up the Ludwig Silversparkle kit from Metal Foundry. That’s the Bonham kit right there. Slap a compressor on the stereo out and tweak. Also make sure appropriate ambience/room mics are added.

There are some Bonham grooves in Vintage EZX but if you get the kit right, a lot of the heavy grooves will start sounding Bonham-y.

fizbin

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