[ian nickus]

just wanted to give props to toontrack for releasing the new prog drums ezx and superior versions at the same time, which avoids the issue i had in this topic.

[ian nickus]

yes the sdx has more than the ezx, that is a given. The point is that mallet, or bomber, or ludwig are the same drums and sound quite a bit like the ezx out of the box, and if i have the sdx i don’t need the ezx, not the other way around. The ezx is basically a preview of the sdx a year early for someone who wants to use the sdx. The midi, is normally priced at $29 retail or whatever, so if that is what i would get from having both I am paying too much. And toontrack producer presets from “name” producers are only 5 or 10 dollars, so perhaps the sdx owner could buy the ezx mix presets for $5 if that is needed, and the midi from the ezx for $29 if they so desire.

The meat of what is being bought in the sdx, i.e. the drum sounds, make the ezx drum sounds basically obsolete, for the sdx owner. Someone who wants the sdx and wants to adjust the drums themselves will use the sdx, not use the ezx, because it just doesn’t have the same level of sound quality and utility (hence the sdx being more than twice the cost), and the sdx has mix presets as well obviously. When people buy the packages, whether they are sdx or ezx, it should be understood that they are getting things they may or may not use, and the pricing needs to relate to that as well, to keep the customer feeling that they are getting a reasonable value for their money.

[ian nickus]

@Henrik said:

Thanks for your ideas! We will look at this and see if there’s something we can do about it Regarding your question – the limit is not 80% – it’s often the top results are from 80% and up, but as you said, as you filter the results get lower %. The limit is actually a fixed number of results that will be shown (due to technical reasons). But as I said – we’ll look into it!

cool.
I am still a little confused as to which files exactly will show up – it seems like i can take the percentage way down and get low % matches by selecting specific folders to match to. I will highlight a certain folder and then it will match even down at %40 or whatever is closest in that particular folder.

Also wondering if kick and snare seem to be more important in terms of finding matches. It would be great to eventually be able to designate priority in matching, like a “focus” that allows you to select the toms, or toms and snare, for example. That would give better control over the search.

Hopefully TT will keep developing this concept of tap2find, because it is a game changer.

[ian nickus]

so cool. Tap2find is really great now in the new update. This thread is an example of why toontrack is the drum software company all my other drum sounds have to layer onto – you are one of the few companies that really seem to understand (and listen to) HOW people use software.

now we just need an amazing new version of superior drummer, that has this tap 2 find thing, but this will hold me over for handling my midi loops. Thanks

p.s. it would be awesome if i could get more results from tap to find, by setting the threshold lower than %80 matching. I like to tap2find and then maybe i find something that is not really matching so much but leads to me to a better midi loop via tap2find. I know there would be too many results if it went too low (1% would have to give every midi loop in the library as a result probably, but maybe it could be adjusted in preferences down to %60, %50??
EDIT – i guess i actually don’t understand why i get only down to around 80% match results, but then i can click on library names and add more results that are only slightly matching (far below %50). Can someone explain exactly how that works, because it seems like my suggestion about % match threshold is unnecessary?

[ian nickus]

“enable midi out” turns off every time upon opening vst plugin in ableton as well. Hopefully this is the thing that is mentioned as being fixed.
thanks. update coming out soon i hope.

[ian nickus]

it seems as though most people who care about this feature don’t care much about the tags. Tap2find is a game changer, and that is the functionality that needs to be implemented as soon as possible. I understand that toontrack doesn’t want to do this twice, once rushed through, and once with full tag editing etc, but let’s not get caught up in thinking we need some software that will add tags automatically to midi files – people or companies can do that if a simple tag editor is part of the solution.
Please just let us all match our other loops and midi files with tap2find as soon as you can.

Tap2find is probably the most revolutionary thing i have run into in years, so congratulations on understanding how people are working with with your software, unlike most developers. In my book, tap2find is up there with touch screen controllers and sampler scripts, so please let us implement it. Even if you want to keep your midi libraries as “premium” products and only allow tap2find, that would be better than tagging files.

[ian nickus]

ok. to revise my post above, I want to say that the sneap pack is worth at least 9$, it is a pretty varied run through of some of the possibilities available with metal foundry, so the pricing is fine.
The Packs that deal with avatar library (slate and morgan) however, are just ok.

[ian nickus]

hello tech dept. or scott?

Can we get an idea of what the plan is to fix this issue. i.e start and stop the browser audition with the DAW and not have the loop keep playing?
Like i mentioned in my previous post, adding a “learn play button” function to the button for browser audition to the next update would be a good start, and would at least allow for a workaround to the problem.
Thanks

[ian nickus]

Reduce the price to 5$ please. That would keep these packs in line with your other (very reasonably priced) products.

Also, an electronic producer pack, with a bunch of standard usable sounds, instead of lots of “effects”, would be very cool.

[ian nickus]

2scott – when played in the audition panel (with the browser play button) the sync works well, but then when you push stop in reaper while auditioning, the loop keeps playing right? and you have to push the browser play button again to make it stop. There could be a workaround if there was a “learn browser play button” midi function the way there is for the tracks and master play buttons, but there isn’t one. That is the minimum requirement for the next update i would say, to add that function. Ideally however, the browser play button would have a setting for normal mode (which should stop when the daw stops) and freewheel mode, which would allow it to do what it is doing now (ignore stop).

As far as loop goes, if you put 1 or 2 bars in one track of the arranger (in the plugin) and loop it at one tempo, how many bars does it take to go out of sync? It gets noticeable for me at 15 or twenty bars. AND the test you made isn’t useful for this purpose because if ‘Follow host Play/Stop’ isn’t on then the loop keeps playing anyway.
One workaround i just figured out (for the tracks in the arrange section) is to trigger the play button with a midi note, then there is no problem with the track going out of sync. After all the work it takes to do that it makes more sense to just drag the loop into the daw, since you are committing to a loop anyway. ALSO in the arranger you lose the name of the loop since it is reduced to “variation 3” or whatever, and if you drag into the daw you can see where the loop came from initially.

All in all there are many reasons the arranger is more trouble than it is worth to me but the browser is great, it just needs to be able to stop.

p.s. FYI, i switched to ableton to make sure it wasn’t a protools issue, and the plugin functions exactly the same in both daws.

2JYM feat – there is a follow host play/stop for each track in the arrange area of the plugin. BUT not for the browser. aaargh.

[ian nickus]

it gets out of sync when the arranger has a few bars of the drum part and the loop function is activated. I don’t know if the arrangement gets out of sync if you copy and paste twenty or thirty phrases, but that is a huge waste of time – if i decide on a midi drum part I can just put it into my daw where i have full editing capabilities, and it will loop properly as well. EDIT – the actual daw is not looped. Also i want to point out that it takes a while to go out of sync, like twenty bars until it is noticeably off.

I thought i might beat this problem until the stop message is incorporated into the audition window, which i hope is very soon, by putting some various loops on different tracks in the arranger and then soloing them to try out parts. Except for the fact that the loop function goes out of sync, so then maybe you have to paste a bunch of the phrase in which is ridiculous. Or just drag the phrase into the daw, at which point you can’t audition anything without muting the daw midi track.

and the sync button does force a restart of both the audition AND the arrangement (in the plugin) i think. But only when you have taken the time to put something in the arrangement track will it STOP as well. So basically you have to keep jumping back and forth between the daw and the plugin, muting the daw or plugin as necessary to audition new or alternate parts.

[ian nickus]

i just want the auditioning in ezplayer to stop when the song stops. It starts over when the song starts again so why not just add a stop message?
Now it just keeps going.

Also the tracks inside ezplayer do go out of sync when you set them to loop so i don’t even bother trying to work out the sync. Once i know which loops i want to use i drag them to the daw.

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