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[godprobe]

Im relying on the humanizer to alter the velocities for me, im not editing it in cubase at all.

This.  Please give editing the velocities in Cubase a try.
Humanization varies the loudness a bit, but the overall velocity is controlled by the MIDI.

If taking the velocity down kills the “feel” of the section, this is where judicious use of compression/limiting effects comes in (maybe even an EQ adjustment would be sufficient — I wouldn’t be surprised if the “clipping” is from the very low frequencies on the kick).

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[godprobe]

double-checking with you on the humanization — it’s easy to miss that you may’ve only turned the humanization off for one kit piece.
i don’t know which kit piece(s) you’re testing against right now, but if it’s more than one, you’ll have to turn the humanization off for each of them to test that.
if you just want to turn it off on all of the kit pieces, it’s easy to select them *all* with a Ctrl-right-click (Windows, should be similar for Mac).

from there, the easiest way to test each velocity layer is on the Mapping tab, using the strip at the bottom.

another thing to try — have you checked if it’s just happening due to multiple kit pieces playing at once?

( also, just checked your post history and saw this one go unanswered…
http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=103840&mpage=1&key=&#103840
…and fwiw, *yes*, I definitely adjust velocities individually in Reaper.  I’m guessing you’re doing that yourself now, but if not, maybe that’s what you’re missing.  Look for the “piano roll” in the Cubase help docs.  I partially just adjust based on the sound, and partially adjust while imagining I’m “a real drummer” (lol) and thinking about how hard I would really hit each part. )

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[godprobe]

Nope, no real financial stake in it, though there *is* an “MVP” contest for the KH group buy for a discount for the most helpful person.
And I’m a betatester only for Toontrack, not for Kirk Hunter, so that status should (hopefully) be irrelevant in this thread.

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[godprobe]

Currently, the only “redundant” MIDI packs would be the “Roots MIDI” (from the Roots SDX), the “Americana MIDI” (from the Americana EZX), and the “Metal Machine MIDI” (from the Metal Machine EZX) — everything else is unique.  The MIDI grooves included with all the other SD/EZ products are not duplicated in any of the other MIDI packs, and are unique for each SD/EZ product.

(I think EZplayer Pro has a couple of downloadable MIDI grooves from the Vintage Rock and Drumkit From Hell EZXes, but it’s basically just a small bonus demo sampling of those libraries’ grooves.)

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[godprobe]

ORIGINAL: Soultrash
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that’s why i am a bit afraid that an EZX may not sound that good and kind of mechanical compared to S2!?
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I know my being a betatester connotes a certain bias, but for my purposes, I like the EZXes for when I’m lazy (most of the time) and don’t feel like creating my own mix.  I like the SDXes for when I feel the need to be as original as possible.  Neither decision is based on a quality-critique of the sound.

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[godprobe]

To add my input to the thread…

My personal reasons for not wanting a dongle are:
– I lose things.  If I’m using two different computers, chances are I will eventually misplace the dongle when going between them.  I don’t know what the process/cost/time is to deal with that, but I’m glad to hear that your licenses are insured (does that cost more?).
– If it ever breaks (I’m always careful to remove my USB drives as soon as I’m done with my file transfers because I don’t want them accidentally getting snapped off)… same process/cost/time question as above.
– It takes up a USB slot.  On a laptop, those are a precious commodity and I hate using hubs because of the potential issues they cause.
– Depending on the protection used, it will likely be wasting CPU cycles.  Probably not much, but the fewer things going on on my computer that could be interrupting any other processes, the better.
– It’s an extra purchase (that I do not need or want).

If I can, I’d just rather not have to worry about those things.  I like the Toontrack licensing system as-is.  It could be simpler, but the method is likely more secure than the very basic any-valid-key-will-work method with not much more hassle.

Comparing iLok to the current method, somehow the license has to get onto your iLok versus somehow the license has to be assigned to your Toontrack account.  As long as there is still a retail boxed product, I see no advantage in using iLok for initial authorization.

Unless it’s a system like UAD’s where the hardware is actually an important part of the software and not just a dongle, I personally will not buy any dongled product.  Again, that’s me.  You obviously feel differently, and I don’t begrudge you your opinion at all.  The above are my own reasons to simply differ.

You do bring up a very valid point about the hardware change creating a new system ID and requiring a new validation.  With more licenses, that takes more time, and that usually seems to be the complaint most have.  Maybe an automated tool of some sort would be of great help there (akin to NI’s Service Center, maybe?).  But, imho, iLok is not the way I’d like to see the solution go.

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[godprobe]

I’m not sure how picky you are, but the closest samples I could find to what I *think* you’re looking for would be in one of the following…

Vintage Rock EZX
– the Zildjian K Ride with either sticks or brushes seems to ring pretty nicely

Twisted Kit EZX
– if you’re really just looking for *anything* that’ll purely ring like crazy, the Cake Pan, Metal Plate, or Spoxe do that quite well
– the Spoxe Hats in the fully open position also get pretty close, but tinkle a slight amount more as the rims hit each other

The Classic EZX
– the 22″ Zildjian K Custom Dark Ride in this set is *very* close in timbre to your sample, imho.  There is a bit of the ride edge, but I don’t know if it would be too much for your drummer’s taste.

Drumkit From Hell EZX
– 22″ Sabian HH Power Bell Ride… it’s pitched very differently from your sample, but has a strong ring (again, a bit of ride edge, but since the hits are much stronger than your sample, it may be a negligible amount at lower velocities)

…I think my pick out of those would probably be The Classic EZX.  Maybe/hopefully other people who own one or more of these libraries could also listen to your sample and compare to my picks and give you some more input.

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