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[EachHit]

Hi,

I had the time and the Opportunity to test the TD-30 Module with my Drumpads and Superior. Played around with it a little and the Stock Sounds of that Module sounded a bit better. And of course the handling with the Faders was also way better than the Mixer on the TD-4 but as you mentioned I didn’t hear a big difference in Superior. To be honest the TD30 had much less Dynamics when it comes to the recorded Midis. Guess that was due the settings. So I think there is no need for an upgrade for me right now.
Now I can focus how to get the Latency down to a Minimun so I can use the TD-4 with Superior/EZ Drummer.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

Thanks for the answers.

The Issue with the Hihat I realised when I tested my old HiHat Cymbal on another Drummodule in the Store. I also only counted 3 Stages with my Module and I think 5 with the TD-25. Of course all with the same Cymbal and Foot Controller.

I guess I just have to try out another Drummodule and record some Mididata with both of them. Maybe I can borrow a bigger Roland Module and see if there are significant differences of the provided Mididata.

For now I am happy with my 10 Inputs from my TD-4. I use 8 right now cause I haven’t connected my Footcontroller. So I can add one more Crash. If I would upgrade to more Inputs I guess I would shoot for at least 15 Inputs.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@Fabien Escoms said:

Excellent. Really good sound on drums.
It’s my problem on my songs, the drum sound^^
I’ve buy the midi machinery library to see how Barker play.
And the hole songs are very great.
If you want to listen to my songs, here is my Reverbnation page with most of my solo projet and Superior Drummer for the drums.
https://www.reverbnation.com/hellgino?profile_view_source=header_icon_nav

I’m working on a black metal orchestral project, I’ll make you listen to it if you want^^

Music is kinda cool. Production are most of the songs also ok. Just listening to Spermaphrodite and that sounds pretty good. Do you mix your Stuff in Superior or in your DAW. As I started workiing with Superior I also had a hard time finding a good sound. But there are some good classes at Ctreativelive.com about EZ Drummer and Superior. That helped me a lot.

Are you using only the few Midi Beats from the Metal Machinery or do you program some beats for yourself. When we are in the Songwriting Process we mainly use EZ Drummer 2. But a lot of the time I had to program some beats. Gladly we have a real drummer who is playing the final Drumparts as heard on th Album on his Midikit. So at least we have a rea drummer but no real Drumkit.

Heavy Greetz
Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@brendan said:

Hey – thanks for the input – yes, i tried that too, it helped me program the basic groove ive got running thru song , but whats killing me is fleshing it out with some fills and variations on that groove , it’s an original song it just happens to have that kind of a beat – I’m just really surprised that with all the drum midi loops out there , no company has put a song file with this type of pushing groove out.
thanks again for taking the time!

I just had a quick listen to that song on Youtube and it seems that some fills are only a 5 stroke Roll at Tempo 280. Sometimes I just take a slow fill and to the Double Time. Sounds in some cases pretty good. I think the Fills are almost mainly Drum Rudiments played over different Toms, Snares etc.
You also may try some Triplet Fills combined with some Straight Note Values.
If you want I can try and try out some fills when you send me the Beat you already have.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@brendan said:

I have songwriter midi 1,2,3 and a lot of sdxs , i’ve listened to all the midi pack samples and cant find anything that fits this groove at tempo.
I wrote to Groove monkey and asked if they have this type groove in any of their packs and the answer was no – It does not have to be exact, just the feel .
I can program the basic groove but real sounding fills and variations are beyond my ability 🙁 there are so many double kick metal grooves out there, i would have thought this was a bit of a standard , if dated , groove.. thanks!

Hi,

I don’t know if there’s a Midi Pack out there which will give you a usable beat. But when I record Music for myself it’s mostly a Coverversion where I try to play all Instruments incl the Drums. But that’s mostly only very basic Punk/Rock.
Sometimes I let Superior do the Drums and play just the String Instruments.

What I do is I look out for some Tabs which has pretty good written Drums and get that in my DAW to find possible “real” Beats.
Just had a quick listen to a Hot for Teacher Tab and even if the programmed Drumtrack looks a bit weird it sounded pretty close to the Original. Maybe you wanna try that out. I’m sure you will find at least the right Bassdrum figure in one of the Metal Midis.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@stephen.ankrum said:

Curious for anyone who uses ezdrummer or superior drummer,whether you just add the plug to a stereo track or if you send each drum channel inside the plug to its own channel in your DAW.

I use EZ Drummer 2 mostly for Songwriting. Normally I put that on an Aux Track in Pro Tools. But I also have a setup where I make up a whole bunch of Midi Tracks which are routed to the EZ Drummer or Superior Drummer. That’s because sometime I want to separate some Beats which isn’t very convenient in EZ Drummer2.
For Superior I normally put it also on an Instrument Track but all Outs are routed to it’s own channel in Pro Tools. Nowadays I don’t do that anymore. When I am satisfied with my Midifiles and how it sounds with my Superior Kit I bounce it all out and reimport it. Saves a lot more CPU Power for Mixing but of course it eats up a lot of Harddrivespace.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@darcym said:

I welcome any input from someone who can do any form of drums, I know I’m weak with it.

I can’t see any way to pm you or get you my email address across to you, or get your email address

Drop me a line at eachhit@gmx.de

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@darcym said:

just to be clear, I’m not writing metal at al, more blues/country/pop/americana style music.

I’d love some help with programming, I’m actually quite excited about the idea of trying to work with people across the internet for drums, as this is a part I really struggle with and without the drums as I want them, it’s sometimes hard to get the idea of the songs across as its always a compromise.

Let me see if there is a way to get an email to you and I’ll share some info with you, what a fun offer, thank you.

Why do I always assume everybody who uses Toontrack is doing metal????

I played a very little blues when I had Drum lessons. But mostly not 3/4. It was 4/4 all the time but mostly with 8th Note Triplets. If you have something ready which needs drums let me know I could try something out.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@darcym said:

this would be hugely useful for me, I suck at programming drum tracks so either have to do VERY basic tracks myself or rely on the toontrack midi ones.

At the moment I’ve got a 3/4 track thats killing me as I can’t find anything that fits the needs, so the ability to use other peoples publicly available tracks or even say “hey, I have this track, can someone program some drums for me” would be very useful.

I think that there aren’t so many good 3/4 Beats for Metal in the EZ Librarys. I do a lot of composing with EZ Drummer 2.
Do you have a link to your Song? I may help you out with programmig some Beats.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@andrushkiwt said:

So, the bus section on the SD mixer is blank when you start a session? Maybe I wasn’t following the videos very well, if that’s the case. I get why you would want to group the toms together, to control the combined effect, but I wasn’t sure why all the videos skipped the individual channels altogether and went right to the bus section of the mixer in SD. I’d rather work each individually. But I’m thinking that routing each drum piece to the DAW will increase the workload of the CPU, especially when effects start piling up.

While we’re at it, yesterday you mentioned that you double up on the snare. What techniques do you use for this? What is different about the two snares? And what is the result of mixing those two snares together? I will try this at home later. I’m thinking it can give a “beefier” sound…?

I can’t remember what the SD looks like when you open it. I work mostly with my own templates now where I have already done all the routing.
If you are on Pro Tools you may get what you need out of this Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TV5Mybc0zY

Out 1/2 is the Stereo Bus and I think that is where you start from. I normally send each instrument to it’s own Out. Starting with Out 3/4. For Example I send the Kick to Ouz 3/4 and put the Fader to the Left and maybe the snare also to 3/4 but the put Fader to the Right.
It took me quite a time to fully understand the routing. But if you get it it’s not that hard and when you have it then it works like a charm.
When you route all channels to Pro Tools then you will definetely need a bit of CPU Power. But as I started I mixed completely Songs with an DualCore from AMD (X6000) without problems.

When you are a bit low on CPU Power you should bounce all Drums to individual Audio channels. That way you save tons of CPU Power.

The Benefit of mixing 2 or more Snares together is that you can easily get a fatter sound. Maybe you got a Snare which has a nice Attack and one with a nice Body. If you layer them in SD and trigger them from the same Midinote then you got a pretty fat Snare.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

As I started out I also did some mixing in SD but it is much easier when you do it in your DAW. You could use the Busses in SD when you route all Snaredrums to one Bus so you could process your Snare with one Channel.
As I got more experienced I routed all Channels out to Auxes in Pro Tools and processed and mixed from there. But nowadays when I know which Kit I use then I Bounces all Tracks to individual Audiotracks cause that saves CPU Power.
But I also use AuxBusses in Pro Tools, For example I route all Toms (mono) to a Stereo Aux Track. So I can control the Volume of them all together.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@andrushkiwt said:

it’s not exactly my style of music but it isn’t bad
How do you record your Guitars? if you are interest I could reamp some of the Guitars for you with my Kemper Amp.

Heavy Greetz

the drums aren’t bad, the songs themselves, or the mixes of them?

The guitar is recorded through an AudioBox USB, directly into the interface. I spent more on the computer than on the mixing equipment…

Only been mixing these tracks for about 6 months, so plenty to learn still. But I test those tracks out at homerecording.com and see what those folks have to say about them. Doing it myself is certainly cheaper than going to the studio every month to record. Plus, I can play around with all kinds oscillators and filters that I couldn’t ever find in stompbox form. Slowly, but surely, the mixes are improving. I’m certainly open to suggestions on improving the quality of the mix. EQ, mastering, anything at all. Thanks for all the responses. I appreciate it much.

also, i’ll check out that broadcast. No one really taught me anything on this software, I usually just adjust levels, add EQ, tiny Comp, bit of “drum booth” verb, and call it a day. typical guitar player. ha

Taras

The Songs are cool. I think with a better mix they would sound pretty good. That’s why I spent more time with mixing and that stuff cause I pretty damn suck at playing an Instrument and writing Songs. That’s why the Songs I record and Mix myself always sound kinda lame.
When I do the songs from my Buddy there’s no way I can’t make the Songs sound Bad. A good Song is a good Song no matter how it’s mixed.

When you got some raw tracks from your Songs (DI’s and Midis and maybe the Vocals) I would like to try and do a mix. It would be a little Diversion not always doing the same Style of Music.

All Broadcasts at the Creativelive.com Audio Section are very very good. I learned a lot of stuff by viewing mostly all of them.

Heavy Greetz

[EachHit]

@andrushkiwt said:

Perfect. Exactly what I needed. I figured out up to the mapping part on my own, but was stuck from there. Thanks a lot!

If interested, here are 4 originals all made with SD2 Avatar. I’ll also move it to the appropriate forum, if one exists. thanks again!
https://soundcloud.com/andrushkiwt

it’s not exactly my style of music but it isn’t bad. You may want to layer another Snare on top of the one on your Main Kit. I am doing mostly more extreme Metal Stuff. But there I sometimes layer up to 4 or 5 Snares on top of each Other. The same for Bassdrums.

If you really wanna get good at creating Virtual Drums you may wanna have a look at Creativelive.com On the the 23rd there is a Rebroadcast for an EZ Drummer Class up and it’s free to watch. That’s where I learned Stuff that really helped me to create more realistic Drums.

How do you record your Guitars? if you are interest I could reamp some of the Guitars for you with my Kemper Amp.

Heavy Greetz

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