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Mark King wrote:

Do you use the same keyboard to record the midi for bass, snare and hi hats? If you do then that can’t be it. Do you hear the delay when you monitor while recording the midi? If not then again it’s something else. I don’t use pro tools but are you sure you haven’t got anything different on the kick track?

Mark: Read my reply. That the op was able to manually enter notes and the problem went away kind of puts a nail in the coffin if you will.

Jack
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Brian Boyd wrote:

Hammer action, yes (M-Audio Keystation88 Mk3).

There’s your problem. Hammer action will NEVER give you perfect timing for drum work. I’ve played both types of keyboards so it’s a been there/done that deal. And don’t get me started on the quality (or lack thereof) of the Keystation keyboards. If you’re at all serious about using a keyboard for drums get a synth action one.

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Brian Boyd wrote:

So….as you suggested, I recorded the kick track in Midi Editor rather than on midi keyboard, and all seems good. But when I try to record with the keyboard, the issue continues, so I guess there is a sink issue with my keyboard…more research needed.

Many thanks for your very helpful suggestion…Now I just have to “humanize” the midi kick track as it’s aligned to the grid!

cheers,

BB

We all know there is audio latency depending on the amount of buffers, etc. What is less known is MIDI latency and there’s no real way to fix that. That latter might be part of the issue. Glad to hear that the method I outlined is working for you. Like I said I’m just trying to remove any possible variables and get back to basics. If you had still had the problem using my method then yeah – gremlins do abound. Your MIDI keyboard – synth action or hammer action (like a piano would have)?

Jack
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When you save the session are the tracks still MIDI or have you rendered them to audio? Do you record the snare and hats using the click track like you do the kick? What’s your audio buffer setting? I have never seen what you’re describing even on a relatively low-powered system like in my sig file. Try this: manually enter using PT’s MIDI editor a string of notes for the kick – something like 4 notes per measure at whatever tempo you like. Then do a second line for snare and a third line for the hats. Then hit play and see what happens. Do this first with everything MIDI and if that’s okay then render the MIDI to audio and try again. If this passes then the problem is not specifically with SD3. What I’m trying to do here is take the human (you) out of the loop and give SD3 the best possible input.

Are you using any effects in SD3? Multi-out or 2 channel stereo? What SDX? Do you have the problem with every kick drum in the library?

Jack
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Why 3 instrument tracks? There’s no need to do that. I use multi-out in SD3 (which is on an instrument tracks) to separate aux tracks in PT 2021.6. This allows me to hear the kit pieces without having to record enable the tracks if they were audio tracks. When I’m satisfied with the sound I then send them to separate audio tracks. All this business is taken care of with a track preset in PT that sets up everything I need to do drums with SD3 so with one click I get the entire 20 some tracks in PT. What’s your routing in both SD3 and PT? Do you have any routings to unused sends or tracks? Do you have SD3 load everything into ram or are you streaming from your samples drive? Please tell me you don’t have the samples on your system drive.

Jack
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[drumjack52]

Go to this folder path: MacHD/Library/Application Support/Avid/Audio/Plug-ins and you should see Superior Drummer 3.aaxplugin This is the folder where all your PT (aax format) plugins are installed. When you did the install did you allow the installer to put the plugin where it wanted to and did you allow it to install the aax version? Depending on how you have your inserts showing (type, developer – I use organize by developer) I see on an instrument track when clicking on an insert: multichannel plug-in/Toontrack/Superior Drummer 3 (stereo).

Jack
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Have you looked at the Ludwig Classic kit? 3 rack toms but not all have the assortment of implements.

Jack
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Peesu wrote:

I’d be most interested in one of those ”legendary producer/engineer” SDX’s they’ve been doing with Eddie Kramer, Frank Filipetti, Al Schmitt and others. Personal favourite would be Daniel Lanois, of course, but there are others, too.

Also, I’d like more SDX’s with the same kits played with both sticks and brushes (and even mallets) like they did with State of the Art SDX (with Elliot Scheiner). Some of us want to combine different tools in a single song, and like to hit more than two toms with the brushes, too! 😎

Peesu

The stock library has sticks/rods/brushes.

Jack
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[drumjack52]

Is SD3 plugin in the MacHD/Library/Audio/Plug-ins/Components folder? Does SD3 open in standalone? Can you force Logic to rescan the plugins?

Jack
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There is a DW kit in Death and Darkness with a metal snare. As a DW fanatic I’d love to see a full SDX devoted to DW drums. Maybe a full Neil Peart setup?

Jack
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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Oh? I can right click on say the snare in a core library and switch from sticks to rods but the MIDI note assignment stays the same.

Exactly! You’re now using the snare with rods and not sticks.  They are considered separate kit pieces. It would be no different if you had changed to a different brand snare.

jord

But if I want to use rods full time I don’t need to load another kit piece. Just change to rods and move on with it. You’re saying otherwise right?

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monopauli wrote:

Would like to mimic the setup of my actual kit.

 

Sorry – there’s no re-arranging kit pieces in the SD3 gui. If your hihat is in back of your snare how do you get to the hihat pedal? Unless you’re on an ekit and the snare is suspended off the rack? Even so that would make for an awkward reach to the hat and could lead to physical problems in your shoulders and wrists down the road.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

In addition to Jack’s post, kit pieces, using rods would be separate than those using sticks. To switch between sticks and rods, you would either need to load those kit pieces additionally, within your preset, thus requiring different, MIDI notes, or you would have to load a separate instance of Superior Drummer with your kit pieces containing rods, if you want to simply switch between the two without changing MIDI notes.

jord

Oh? I can right click on say the snare in a core library and switch from sticks to rods but the MIDI note assignment stays the same. Snare center for example is still D1 in the MIDI in/edrums page. Now if you want to be able to switch on the fly then yeah you’d need a separate kit piece but not if you want to use rods full time.

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No. Even if you change the kit piece that’s in back of the snare the hihat won’t move. You’d get another hihat but the graphic will not be a hihat. Why would you want to do that?

Jack
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hixsonia wrote:

Hi Jack,

Reformatted in ExFat just to try something other than APFS (didn’t help obviously). I don’t really need to index the drive as all the files are being called from there respective hosts, i.e.; BFD3. EZDrummer 3, SD3, etc. so no need to do Spotlight searches on it.

Yes first install was fine but moving all drum samples to a new drive for future expansions (I have a shit-load of photos and my music library on the drive that I’m moving from and need more space).

I agree with  Jordan as well, just happened to be 2 files that were in my SD3 Sounds folder. There is no blame from me on SD3, as I said in a prior response, I just wish Toontrack aloud me to download specific, named kits instead of the whole library. If I knew what kits those 2 files belong to, it would make all this go away.

Thank for chiming in!!

Jeff

Toontrack does what it does with the files as blocks of data as part of anti-theft process. Same reason NI does with Kontakt, EW with Play/Opus libraries. I’m sure there are other reasons for doing what they’re doing. All this talk about downloading and replacing the files is just like taking Advil to help with the pain of a broken leg. It’s only masking the real issue of the broken leg. What I’m getting at is it happened once and will more likely than not happen again. If you didn’t take proper anti-static precautions when installing the drive in the enclosure something could have gotten zapped. You might not even feel or have felt the zap but it can happen. What I still don’t understand is what was/is causing the drives to eject? Could be hardware (intermittents are a pain to find) or could even be malware. Or even power if that UGreen is bus powered.

As far as fast drives they’re not that expensive. I know Crucial used to be good back in the day. Personally I use Samsung SSD’s for main storage and Western Digital Black for all my long term backup storage. All fed with good clean power. The actual drive – is it a bog standard SSD or NVME type?

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