drumjack52
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drumjack52I feel where you’re coming from. Felt mallets for cymbal swells/rolls and not just sticks. Or felt mallets for rack and floor toms. Or how about an SDX that just has a plethora of cymbals and tools used. fxpansion did just that with at least one library with Zildjian cymbals. Yeah you could pull cymbals from the different SDX’s one owns but they’d all sound different because of where and how they were sampled. Would be nice to have a uniform sound.
You mention velocity levels – does anyone know how many levels are used in a typical SDX? Are they the same across all SDX’s?
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52People here are talking about initial installation but how about having to reinstall after a drive crash? In my case I have a separate hard drive that has every download I’ve ever done. Yes I even have the SDX sample downloads. How do I point the Product Manager to the location on that drive where the sample downloads are (rather than having to change the ‘downloads’ location in the PM)? I’d rather not have to download the files again from the TT servers. Or is there a way to manually install the samples? All my samples are on an drive separate from my system drive and that drive is acting a bit flaky.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52I go as far back as BFD2 and thence on to BFD3. I’d heard (sorry about that) good things about Superior Drummer and started giving it a serious look when fxpansion was mucking about with the copy protection scheme of BFD3. Rather than going with the ‘lite’ route and starting with EZ Drummer I went whole hog with SD3. I am thankful I did. Once I found my way around SD3 I became aware of how more realistic it sounds over anything else on the s/w market. Near as I know no other drum program has adjustable bleed (if it has bleed at all) between kit pieces.
Be aware that I don’t use presets or effects in either BFD3 or SD3 but roll my own using routing to individual tracks in my daw (PT). So it’s the ‘raw’ capture that I work with and SD3 has it all over BFD3. Especially the capture of the different rooms each SDX is recorded in. I find that there’s a dimension to certain SD3 SDX’s that I’m right there with the kit instead of listening to a recording that just isn’t there in BFD3.
Do still have BFD3 on my system? Yes because I never know if I would ever have to go back to old sessions. Would I use it again? Not if I could help it although I do miss the variety of Zildjian cymbals that are in the Zildjian add-on pack for BFD3.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52An Avid tech advised me to delete Superior drummer plugin to test a problem I was having. I tried to reinstall, including a fresh download (several attempts and I have all the necessary passwords)…..
The plug-in shows up in the Library/ApplicationSupport/Avid/PlugIn folder, but it won’t load into my Protools….
BTW, My computer is a Mac Studio with M2 Max chips and I run PT on Rosetta (because that’s evidentally what PT needs).
ToonTrack has run flawlessly up till now (since buying this computer November of 2024)……
How can I get this plug-in back to work.
Paul Vesco
cell/text: 407-466-5781
Operating system: macOS Sonoma (14)
ProTools hasn’t required Rosetta since version 2023.3. Whether you need Rosetta or not depends on if the rest of the plugins you use are qualified for Apple Silicon or not. The full path for plugins used in PT is: your computer name/Library/Application Support/Avid/Audio/Plug-Ins Also when testing a plugin for a possible problem there’s no need to delete the plugin but move it to the Plug-Ins (Unused) folder that is in the folder that has the regular Plug-Ins folder. Do that while PT is not running.
What was the problem you were having – was it with SD3? You say it ran okay before.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Why not just take the easy way and backdate
Because of not being compatible with the latest SDX (“Real to Reel” and all future libs).
Looks like you’re stuck with what things are. Get a better audio interface. Or split your system drive into 2 partitions with individual SD3 variations and duplicate all your plugins. There have been far more serious things that have been put up as suggestions that have been sitting in the bit-bin at Toontrack that are still there for years. IOW – what you want ain’t happening soon.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52“A switch like you say could not be implemented in SD3.”
Is this a statement from an official Toontrack SD3 developer?
No but it comes from someone who’s done a fair bit of coding. It would have to be a shell program that then selects which version to run and this would not be built into SD3 itself. And that would requires having 2 different versions of SD3 on your computer. Why not just take the easy way and backdate if you’re having supposed latency issues with a system that begs for upgraded hardware? You want premium performance – you have to pay for it.
You completely ignored the rest of my post.
It’s a shame your forum is on Fakebook – not everyone does that.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52You could always back date to a previous version. Otherwise you would need to have separate installs of SD3 of each version you want to use and I don’t know if whatever operating system you’re using would allow that. A switch like you say could not be implemented in SD3. And even if it did they would have to have different names and then there’s the whole problem that your daw might not see the changed names. Keep in mind that it’s not just the name you see when chossing an insert but also what’s in the metadata.
A third of a millisecond? I seriously doubt that could even be heard. And where do you get this 10 ms number from? But really you answered your own question with the remedy of getting better audio interfaces. And as far as a faster drum brain – keep in mind that MIDI has it’s own latency and that’s something you can’t do much (if anything) about. Are you loading the whole kit into ram? Doing that will help keep down any perceived slowdowns.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Hi Jordan
Ive managed to send a couple of tracks to you through FB Messenger. They are pre mastering and went to a studio to be mastered prior to pressing. I realise they sound ‘dull’ and that’s the point I’m trying to make.
I’m looking at buying some bundles to hopefully get a better result as i have limited production and mastering skills.
Cheers
David
You’re looking at this in the wrong way and putting it on the drums when it may not be that. You really need to learn production skills. To help with that take a look at courses offered by Groove 3. They’re not free but worth the time and money. Another source to look at is David Gnozzi’s channel (MixBus TV) on YouTube. He has mixing and mastering courses available for purchase. Being what they call a ‘one man band’ is never easy. Not everyone is a Prince or a Paul McCartney.
Something you haven’t mentioned is what genre you’re working in. It could be the library/SDX doesn’t easily line-up sound-wise with the genre. For example I would not use Area 33 on a jazz track or rock track.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
1
Thanked by: Bear-Faced Cowdrumjack52David: if you have music keyboard skills try using that to do your drum entry and then massage afterward if needs be. Not ideal but it can be made to work. Unless you’re doing something like math metal not every beats has to be perfectly aligned to the grid – not everyone is a Gene Hoaglan aka the Atomic Clock.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
1
Thanked by: David Kennedydrumjack52Let’s dispel some of this…
I use piano roll in edit to record the drums. One beat/hit at a time. Very time consuming but it allows me to build the kit naturally
That’s not natural. Drums are a holistic instrument and should be seen the same way a drummer would see them. Not to mention that being natural doesn’t really have to do with how you enter that beat on the grid, but where you enter it on the grid.
I dont use the grooves straight out of the box.
Why not?
Not beating my chest here.
That depends on the answer to the above question.
I know they’re not perfect, but I think most people dont realise it’s a drum machine.
It’s not a drum machine. In fact, it is far from it. What makes it sound like a machine depends on you and your drum programming. You might be surprised that people may sense a robot-like beat, but are not telling you.
jord
Exactly what I’ve been trying to get across to the OP. The people he’s taking stuff to are just being charitable in their opinions. A studio that works with big-time artists doesn’t have time to do deep dives on something a person off the street brings in.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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Thanked by: Scott Eshleman and Bear-Faced Cowdrumjack52David: Using wireless and not on broadband – there’s the answer to your long download times. Is there some place you can go that has a faster connection? Maybe a mate’s house? Something to keep in mind when constructing a drum track is that a real drummer only has 4 limbs to hit kit pieces with – 2 arms and 2 legs. Unless you’re using some kind of setup like Rick Allen of Def Leppard. And there is one heck of a difference between a ‘drum machine’ and a library like available with SD3.
When I do drums in SD3 I treat it like I would a real physical kit with routing, effects, etc. Then on mixdown I have the option to rebalance kit piece levels to fit the tune.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
2
Thanked by: David Kennedy and Scott Eshlemandrumjack52Thanks heaps Jack.
No I’m not on dial up lol but it took that long and according to the forums, others had similar experiences. So no idea why it took that long.
I dont think i know enough to bus them out to individual tracks in PT. Also, i took my basic recordings to three studios and they kept saying there were ok as they were, so i dont know. Maybe they were just being polite.
I can email an MP3 if you like for you to listen to? let me know.
What bundles if any did SD3 come with? If i buy Foundries, I wont be doubling up will I?
Cheers
Dave
Reply To: Superior Drummer 3 Bundles help please….. version: 3.3.0
Operating system: Windows 10
Who is you ISP? I can’t conceive that it would take 5 days to do the SD3 and core library to download. As I remember it took me about 8 hours to do the whole download – I’m on Verizon FIOS. Are you by some chance on a wireless connection to your router? Or wireless internet instead of a hardline connection?
It’s easy to bus things out to separate tracks in PT. Set SD 3 to multichannel out and create as many tracks as you need in PT. Then in PT in the input field of the track select the SD3 track for the kit piece you want – kick for instance. The repeat for each additional kit piece. I’d suggest setting up a PT track preset that would contain the instrument track that holds SD3 and any requisite audio tracks for the number of kit pieces. That way you don’t have to reinvent the wheel as it were. I have a couple of PT track presets for certain SD3 SDX’s that take care of everything. One click and I end up with about 20 tracks all routed as I want. I’d suggest searching out some YouTube videos and spending some quality time over on the DUC (Pro Tools forum) asking questions.
As to the feedback you got from the studios I suggest they were being polite.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
1
Thanked by: David Kennedydrumjack52With SD3 I use multiout and sent to individual tracks in ProTools. Kick drum to one track, snare to another, hihat to another, etc. I also tend not to use presets and/or effects that are in SD3 but what I have in PT. At that I use mainly third party plugins in PT although those can work as well especially if you’re trying to save a bit of money. Going to separate tracks in PT will allow for a better/easier mixing process. Something to keep in mind is that mixing and mastering are two completely different processes. Get your mix sounding right (however you define that term) and THEN have mastering done.
A great thing that will help here is your room setup. Have you done any basic acoustic treatments? How are your monitor speakers set up? Are you working with speakers or headphones? Getting a good sound recorded is one thing but don’t dismiss processing afterwards. Start with a good sound and everything afterwards will go easier.
Download speeds – 5 days to download SD3 and the core library? Are you on dialup or what? No modern internet connection should ever be that slow. Even AOL just dropped support for 56k dialup recently. If your home setup won’t go fast try and find a library or such that has public wifi and do the download there. On installation use the Toontrack product Manager and it will place the files in the right place.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
2
Thanked by: Scott Eshleman and David Kennedydrumjack52Hi how do I check this?
Open the SD3 mixer page and check the routing at the bottom of the kit piece channel slider.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
1
Thanked by: Ontrack123drumjack52Easy – check the SD3 mixer routing. Are you using stereo (2 channel) or multi-out for the mixer?
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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