Lorne or am I missing something. the SP2 window is so small and has a limited size (so it appeares)..
I am constantly scrolling the mixer view and swapping betweek construct and the mixer???
why does this have to be?
at a res of 1920 x 1080 the window is only 1/4 the size od the screen! it is so frustrating and time consuming!
heck, both views could fit in the screen at once with no need to scroll or flip from one view to another!
now having said all that someone is gonna tell me it is possible!!! lol
or am I missing something. the SP2 window is so small and has a limited size (so it appeares)..
I am constantly scrolling the mixer view and swapping betweek construct and the mixer???
why does this have to be?
at a res of 1920 x 1080 the window is only 1/4 the size od the screen! it is so frustrating and time consuming!
heck, both views could fit in the screen at once with no need to scroll or flip from one view to another!
now having said all that someone is gonna tell me it is possible!!! lol
ThorstenORIGINAL: Martin
We really appreciate your input on this matter. Personally I use an iMac 27″ and do not have a problem with the size of the interface. On the other hand I have Superior Drummer in front of me 8 hours a day (or more..), so I’m kind of used to it by now . I totally understand that some people like it bigger, and I too appreciate when there is a resize feature for a plugin. I will make sure to forward all your suggestions to the Development Team, but if and when there will be a change, I really can not say. Just know that it is duly noted and that we treasure your feedback!
I will push this very important thread again:
Dear Toontrack Team, did you ever think about drummers which using your famous software in realtime on stage? They will never use such big 27″ monitors on stage close to the drumset! Sorry for this. Sometimes maybe one 15″ Laptop. But a professional solution this days means one real fast desktop PC with High End Audio-Interface gear fitted in a special 3HE 19″ Computer enclosure inside one 19″ stable road case. So in consequence less is more on stage! No keyboard, no mouse just one 10″ industrial touch screen to control Superior Drummer!
And Gentleman from Toontrack, did you ever tried to use SD with such a 10″ touch screen interface? You will have much fun! Belief me! Many bottoms inside SD are so terrible small no way to control precise with one finger touch. You have to redesign your interface immediately! Please implement a Live Modus. For example: I touch one fader/knob/bottom and it comes bigger to control it exactly with one finger. Please think modern and fast! Windows 8 will change to control DAW/plugin stuff extremely with touch screen feel. Next time probably I will control those special fast Drum computers for real time/stage using with upcoming hand held gear like multitouch iPad format. So do not stay in past! Think forward and change please your interface for modern using now.
Thank you very much greats
Trommeltotti
Jay CooverORIGINAL: trommeltotti
Dear Toontrack Team, did you ever think about drummers which using your famous software in realtime on stage? They will never use such big 27″ monitors on stage close to the drumset! Sorry for this. Sometimes maybe one 15″ Laptop. But a professional solution this days means one real fast desktop PC with High End Audio-Interface gear fitted in a special 3HE 19″ Computer enclosure inside one 19″ stable road case. So in consequence less is more on stage! No keyboard, no mouse just one 10″ industrial touch screen to control Superior Drummer!
In this scenario, for a dedicated onstage screen for Superior, you should lower the resolution, making things appear larger.
SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings
ThorstenORIGINAL: fizbin
In this scenario, for a dedicated onstage screen for Superior, you should lower the resolution, making things appear larger.
No, this might be not a good idea! Because if you use like me the onboard GPU from Intel core i5 CPU (Intel HD Graphics 4000) and not an external GPU card you will loose on 10″ monitor some screen mask and some bottoms. (800x 600) With the Intel HD Graphics the smallest practicable screen resolution on 10″ monitor is 1024 x 768. And in this resolution the interface from SD for touch screen using is definitively to small!
And I have say something more to this:
I’m afraid that the Team from Toontrack (Also some other VSTi Manufacturers) underestimate a little bit the potential to use SD in real time live on stage. The problem is right now: If you like to use modern and high performing Sounds like SD for drumming you have first buy one old school and terrible sounding drum module for extremely overpriced money (like ROLAND TD-30) to use this old gear just as one drum to midi converter. If you have a normal drum set up with some extra Pads for FX sounds like cowbells, timbales and so on you probably need two modules for enough trigger inputs. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! This is a very big frustration factor for modern drummers!
I’m waiting since years for a professional trigger input computer solution optimized for SD fitted in a road ready enclosure and ready to go! Such software/hardware drum systems would sell much more than just the software for using in studio scenarios! I’m sure. But to control such a revolutionary unit means to control this with a modern and stage sizeable touch screen gear like 10″ iPad styles. So first and please right now Toontrack should make the SD interface ready for modern controlling this with touch screen monitors because Toontrack is a software developer and should able to do this. After this Toontrack please should looking for a cooperation with some competent Audio hardware manufactor to realize such a revolutionary software/hardware solution which should change dramatically the industries standards in E-drumming segment without using needless old school modules.
Please any official comments from Toontrack to this. Thank you very much with best regards
Trommeltotti
Volker +++
Yes, I fully agree that this issue needs to be moved to a high priority. Don’t underestimate it! It would make handling so much better.
Please offer the SD (and EZD) with larger or scalable screen interface in the near future. I’m sure you would win a lot more of new and content customers.
If it will take too much time to program a scalable window for these plugins, please offer them in different sizes to be selected for different screen resolutions at least.
PLEASE DO IT!
Juicy If we could at least have some thought go into how to make better usage within the GUI, sure it would be some work but
well worth it for our eyes.
We don’t need to see everything all the time. I would like a dynamic view that gets bigger if you switch elements off in turn
magnifying what you want to see at the time. At the moment we can turn off some elements in the mixer but it is all or nothing and could be finessed.
Hopefully we will “see” some results in SD3 , yes SD3 i heard a rumour it is due for release very soon
sssteve72While I’m completely new to SD, I’ve been using computers since before the internet even existed on a public basis. One of the very first things I tried to do when I opened SD was to resize the window because it was overrunning some other stuff on screen. I think I tried that within about 5 minutes of having it open. I have to say SD is top notch in the sound category, but the inability to resize the window is what I would call a major limit or drawback and frankly I was shocked. After reading through this thread and other posts I see there is competing software out there that already has…you know I wouldn’t even call it a feature, it’s a standard. This is nothing new, plug-in or not, it’s a feature that has been around since like Windows 3.1…20 years ago. Scalable is really the way to go, i.e. its the best IMO. I only have one monitor, does anyone use this on two monitors and can you move the SD window to another monitor ?
NathanYou can move the SD2 window to another monitor just the same as with other plugin GUIs. I do this regularly.
The design of the Superior interface was created for a fixed-size window. Certainly at this time there were very few plugins with resizeable windows. Expectations have changed and this is something I know is on the wishlist and TT will consider. Please bear in mind that this sort of change will require some major codebase changes and is unlikely to happen on a minor version revision.
I will point out that for VST plugins (the ones I’m used to), resizeable GUIs are the exception rather than the norm. Plugin interfaces tend to consist of fixed graphics overlaid with animated graphics and controls/ value boxes which do not rescale easily unless purposely written to do so. Please note the level of graphics and other content used in the various pages of the SD2 window.
Most plugin vendors concentrate on the audio performance and CPU hit, and as such many plugins are fixed size, or offer a choice of two or three fixed sizes. Continuously scaleable windows are only just being considered with increased importance as computer power increases and user expectations rise.
They are becoming more numerous, but it is not a minor matter to rewrite the front-end to an existing plugin as complex as SD2, and as it doesn’t impact the actual functionality of the software, I wouldn’t expect anything before the next major version revision.
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SD2.3, NYII, C&V, MC, MF, ED, Latin Perc, Twisted, Pop, N1H, Electronic, Classic, Funkmasters, Rock Solid, Blues, Indie-Folk.
Billy ProcellI figured I would chime in here, since I am a new Toontrack, and EZ mix user.
I use a 23 inch 1080p monitor. I noticed that EZmix was just a bit smaller than I was anticipating, but it isn’t an issue. I use even smaller plugins like Sytrus from Imageline, which a great plugin, but really small.
The forums over at ImageLine have requests for resizes too, but the devs also speak about difficulties doing this, as well as the idea of vector based stuff… Lead dev even stated that now is a good time to start thinking, and working on things especially when retinal (or near retinal) displays. become more of a standard.
EZ mix 2 isn’t too small for me, its slightly smaller than Pod Farm 2 platinum. I can always automate the few parameters, in/out parameter 1&2 in my DAW for more precise changes/control.
But if I were to go any higher pixel density than I am, I can see how that would start to be tiresome with the eyes.
I am fine with it as is though, 1080p will be standard for a bit longer. But it is something that will need to be addressed before too long.
profirhino Fwiw, vector resizing of the UI is neither necessary nor preferable, most C7/N6 victims would agree I guess.
But as much as I hate to say it, the days of 19″ CRTs are over and won’t come back.
Over here the standard studio setup looks like this :
2 nearfields, ca 120cm apart
2 TFTs inbetween, 1920×1280, 24″ to 27″
do the math, in listening position you’re 1m away from the screens, no way around it.
And you won’t be able to read much of the small print in the current UI.
This is completely different from coding with your nose 20cm away from the screen.
Imho what’s needed are a few fixed UI sizes, no vector crap, covering 90% of the screen estate in
– current state of the art resolution (2500 something ??)
– 1920×1280
– maybe two smaller versions for legacy screens
Compare Kontakt, Torpedo Pi and many others, this is a joy to work with and I have never seen a single UI bug with these.
Add an alternative, easier way to mix’n’ match kit pieces from different libraries, maybe keep x-drums for the purists, and S3.0 will be a no-brainer paid major update, imho, ymmv.
Just saying,
Rhino
Andreas Bryntesson+1 for ezkeys!
it would be very nice in every single aspect, to have the option to increase the size and hopefully even go fullscreen!
i´m probably going to buy more toontrack software so i´m hoping for the same development in all of your products!
Stephen Hanlon+1 for larger UI for all your products.
BUT, my work around is to enable “Accessibility” feature on OS X. The key command to Zoom In is Command+Option+Plus sign. While I think it better the UI should already have this built in, this is kind of workable for now.
If you’re on a Windows machine, there must be a comparable Accessibility feature.
masondrJust wanted to bump up this thread. I just tried to install and use EZKeys on my new Surface 3, with a standard resolution of 2160×1440, EZKeys is, frankly, unusable. It’s hard to estimate, but I would guess the font size inside the EZKeys window to be 2 or 3 pt., so tiny as to make most of the window semi-legible at best. It is certainly headache-inducing trying to use it; I had to give up after about 15min. I have tried lowering my screen resolution, and it made the window bigger, but made the font unbearably fuzzy. (In any case, this is an unreasonable concession to make for a single application.) I frequently use EZKeys standalone, as a way to capture ideas as they strike, and then flesh them out before transferring to my DAW. As it stands now, the interface makes this problematic, and I suspect I will not be using the program much. Additionally, I had been waiting to upgrade my computer before buying additional MIDI packs. I won’t be making those purchases now. This is unfortunate for both of us.
I have coded in the past, so I understand how the skeuomorphic graphic layout makes resizing difficult. However, I have to concur with the posters above — this is more of Toontrack’s problem than mine.
MintberryCrunch@trommeltotti said:
I’m waiting since years for a professional trigger input computer solution optimized for SD fitted in a road ready enclosure and ready to go!
Trommeltotti
ok, it´s a little bit OT, but
I would be happy if there was a good trigger to midi interface with enough trigger inputs at an affordable price. Like the Alesis TriggerIO with less midi latency and Roland-like trigger quality. I would pay 500 Euro for such a unit. I really wonder why there is nothing like this on the market. It would be great if Toontrack would cooperate with a hardware manufacturer and this magic thing comes up… And Roland would be confronted with a competitor for the first time…
toonfishuff… first time using ezmix and first thing i have to say is:
please add an option to enlarging the window. like double pixels or so.
I’m a little over 30 years old using a 27 inch monitor and i cant see shit.
dear developers/designer on this planet, the monitors arent one sized anymore like back in the old days. there is retina and 4k and insane tiny cell phone displays…
please desing your apps so that it can be used on other monitors too not only your own. fck. thanks.
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