When miking and mixing live drums, you have to be aware of phase problems, canceling and comb filtering between drum mics,
I am just learning that and lots of advice around on it…………
However what about a multi-track drum sampler. I just looked at the waveform of a simple easy drummer groove. It seems to me…………
1. The snare top and snare bottom are out of phase.
2. The individual drums are out of time with the overhead and the
3. Overhead is out of time with the room.
So this is what you would expect with a real miked kit… but it has never occured to me to go look at each track in EZderummer and correct the phase and timing relationships between tracks. When you go in and do it and align the waveforms, you get a mich tighter, crisper and powerful sound, but still have the room ambience to allow them to sound real.
So is this known ?. Is it just me ? or do I have this wrong (quite possibly)
Just wondering if this should be practice when using software drummers. I will ask on Toon track site but answers here are generally better.
Cheers
Chris
I would’ve thought regardless of the source medium you’d need to consider phase alignment when mixing as you’re adding inherent latencies and phasing by EQ’s hence why the likes of fabfilter have a full linear phase operation mode.
Maybe there are issues with the library, but even so it only ads an extra task in line with what you should be doing in the first place.
Kind regards
D.
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You have a good point http://www.toontrack.com/forum/showProfile.aspx?memid=155374.
I’m pretty sure that Toontrack has always said that you don’t have to change the phase relationship between, say, the snare top and bottom. I’m pretty sure it’s meant to sound “natural” as is (for Superior anyway – so I’m assuming it’s the same for EZDrummer).
Of course, if you want to go edit the bounced audio files to align their phase differently – that’s great. It’s an added bonus to be able to do this!
John Braner
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