Topic: Superior Drummer 3 for classic rock?

Superior Drummer 3 for classic rock?

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Posted January 21, 2019 at 21:01 #2320620

ChristopherDuncan
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Hey, guys. I’ve had EZ Drummer 2 for quite some...

Hey, guys.

I’ve had EZ Drummer 2 for quite some time and very much enjoyed it. A few months ago I bought Superior and find it an equally well done product. The updated UI makes it as easy as, well, EZ to navigate.

That said, after spending time with the wealth of kits available, signature and otherwise, it seems to be very heavily weighted toward metal. The kicks and toms have that signature “clicky” sound and other attributes that work great in modern metal. However, classic rock wants fatter sounds since it’s a different style of music, so the metal kits don’t fit.

EZ has a lot of kits that work very well for classic rock. And while it’s true that they all show up in Superior for me to use, because they weren’t created for SD3 they don’t have all the outputs and mix flexibility (which is why I bought SD). I know I can bring up basic kits, start tweaking the mics, comps, eq, etc. and get there, but ease of use is one of the reasons I reach for EZ when songwriting. I’m hoping I’m just missing something in SD so that I don’t have to start from scratch and reinvent a number of wheels.

Does anyone have any suggestions on kits for old school 80s classic rock (think Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, Green Day, etc.)? Love the software, but keep going back to EZ because I just can’t find those sounds in SD.

Would be grateful for any insights.

Thanks,

Chris

Hey, guys.

I’ve had EZ Drummer 2 for quite some time and very much enjoyed it. A few months ago I bought Superior and find it an equally well done product. The updated UI makes it as easy as, well, EZ to navigate.

That said, after spending time with the wealth of kits available, signature and otherwise, it seems to be very heavily weighted toward metal. The kicks and toms have that signature “clicky” sound and other attributes that work great in modern metal. However, classic rock wants fatter sounds since it’s a different style of music, so the metal kits don’t fit.

EZ has a lot of kits that work very well for classic rock. And while it’s true that they all show up in Superior for me to use, because they weren’t created for SD3 they don’t have all the outputs and mix flexibility (which is why I bought SD). I know I can bring up basic kits, start tweaking the mics, comps, eq, etc. and get there, but ease of use is one of the reasons I reach for EZ when songwriting. I’m hoping I’m just missing something in SD so that I don’t have to start from scratch and reinvent a number of wheels.

Does anyone have any suggestions on kits for old school 80s classic rock (think Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, Green Day, etc.)? Love the software, but keep going back to EZ because I just can’t find those sounds in SD.

Would be grateful for any insights.

Thanks,

Chris
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Replied February 20, 2019 at 10:19 #2367916

Phenix 2
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put your favorite songs here !

You like drums, iconic sounds and drum plugins ?
> Go and see my Youtube channel, instagram, Soundcloud and TikTok : like and and subscribe !
Replied February 22, 2019 at 22:33 #2371316

Bear-Faced Cow
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ChristopherDuncan wrote:

While I may one day go to the trouble of building a kit in SD from the ground up, part of the appeal of Toontrack products is ease of use. Both EZ and SD are excellent products and very, very easy to get good sounds without having to reinvent the wheel. Which types of sounds is another story.

EZ’s stock rock kits come prepared for heavy 80s rock right out of the box. SD’s stock rock kits come prepared for metal right out of the box. Unless I’m missing something, it completely neglects the 80s rock style I’m looking for, and that EZ has. So, in terms of the pre-built kits, it feels like paying for the flagship product and losing something that the entry level product included.

Admittedly, classic rock is an ancient art form these days. If 90% of your market wants metal, then it makes sense to heavily weight your product to metal. However, since EZ wasn’t so heavily weighted to metal, it was a surprise to me that SD is (something I didn’t discover until I’d spent the money and installed the product).

So far, the only options I see are to use the EZ kits and lose the additional capabilities that I bought SD for, or build a custom kit from scratch instead of using a pre-built stock kit, something I bought Toontrack products in general for.

There isn’t really any dark secret to getting an 80’s Classic Rock sound. Most 80’s drums used either short reverbs with longer ones for special effects, or compressed room ambient channels (or a mixture of both) underneath the drums. Considering the era, adding some tape and a hint of distortion goes a long way. As far as which kits to apply, that might depend on the song. Set up a mix template and try the various kits within it until you find something that works, and then tweak it from there.

jord

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/
Replied February 23, 2019 at 11:05 #2371953
Phenix 2
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if you don’t show us some examples with songs-links

it will be endless

You like drums, iconic sounds and drum plugins ?
> Go and see my Youtube channel, instagram, Soundcloud and TikTok : like and and subscribe !

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Replied February 23, 2019 at 22:13 #2372831

Bear-Faced Cow
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Considering that he mentioned Whitesnake and Bon Jovi, we already know what he’s referring to.

There’s also a video showing how to do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnpoAURfeBo

jord

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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