Request Superior 3 SDX Vintage & Dry Drums

[wagzisnotadrummer]

Toontrack! Congrats on the new Superior Drummer 3.

Now that we have new software, please, please, release a new SDX for SD3 with high-quality, very dry drums. For years, I have been requesting more dry, low-tuned, punchy drums. Many of us are chasing that classic SUPER-DRY drum sound. Can you help us out?

Examples of what I’d like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuOW2vU55es

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwUJuCeESAs

Also, I already have C&V. It’s not quite dry enough (can’t get what I want with gates, envelope controls, and transient designers), and it needs more low tuned snares. Plus, many of the C&V snares aren’t quite ‘crisp’ enough on the top end.

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[David Metoyer]

hey have you found anything yet? I am really stuck between getting addictive drums and their whole collection or taking that money and buying superior drummer 3..I need dry drums though..

[Craig Rogers]

@wagzisnotadrummer I didn’t know I wanted SUPER-DRY drums until I heard your examples. Now I do!

[Juicy]

Oh boys lets get one thing straight
Totally easy to do this in SD3 with the standard library and Not much effort at all. I could nail those sounds in 2 minutes. Its just the direct mics and a nice tight drum in the first place..E.Q is a doddle.

Remember ad2 is 16 bit like ezd2 and nothing like sd3. I have all their content too and if anything theirs is more about tweaked kits that have heaps of fx.
Why would TT make a bonafide SDx pack that has no room mic and is a dud to many other users just because some ppl don’t know how to get this
when needed from whats already in dozens of their existing libraries

Alot of the sound here is no room mics and to get that simple dry sound you take a fair amount of bleed to the o/head mics (snare toms kick)
As for toms that sound like a cat shitting on a hot tin roof i don’t think thats as easy but its doable
Real good dry short toms on INDY sdx.

[David Metoyer]

@matthew so basically I can get the dry dampened sound by cutting out the overhead mics? I really want to get sd3 but I’m kinda scared cause I do hip hop and i want to use it for funk as well. I like high pitched snares like the sonor jungle snare. Does sd3 have snares that sound like that? Also since I can’t demo it, I wanted to know can I adjust the adsr on each drum because on ez drummer demo I couldn’t adjust the release or sustain at all. I would be using it for sounds like this:

https://youtu.be/RHRWvaj35FM

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[Kevin W Smith]

Hi. New here. Long time SD3 user, first time posting. Found this thread on Google.

If there’s an up to date thread about this forgive me, but I’m really really super very interested in an SD3 library without all the room tone of the kits that come with the full version.

No matter what I do – mute the overheads, mute the ambience (obviously), put all the bleed controls at zero, •solo any drum in the mixer• – the crazy long decay of the original recording is really really getting to me! It’s all over every drum in every drum kit, there’s no relief from it. It’s so loud I can’t even gate it out of the snare drums.

Please let me know if I’ve overlooked a solution to this, and if I have, please enlighten me! More than a few times a client has said “the drums sound nice but can you turn off all that reverb??” There isn’t any reverb. “Then what am I hearing?” It’s the samples, they were recorded that way. “Then why are you using it?” Ummm

–Kevin

[Scott Eshleman]

i’m not in front of my studio computer at the moment, but I offer a TT kit created expressly for that sound…
https://www.toontrack.com/product/claustrophobic-ezx/

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[Juicy]

@David Metoyer said:
I really want to get sd3 but I’m kinda scared cause I do hip hop and i want to use it for funk as well. I like high pitched snares like the sonor jungle snare. Does sd3 have snares that sound like that?
https://youtu.be/RHRWvaj35FM
Yes it has that exact Snare. These are all Drum Machine Sounds Hi Hop is Static Samples and Very clever programming. ModernBeats has this shit But SD3 can do it all if you get into it.
The first example up the top is like a super old Roland 707 or 727 totally dry drum machine like straight yeah ya know why they are short , because they have all their sounds squeezed into 2 MB. Play a drum fill on it and you’ll find Machine guns .

[Jan Inge Iversen]

@Kevin W Smith said:
Hi. New here. Long time SD3 user, first time posting. Found this thread on Google.

If there’s an up to date thread about this forgive me, but I’m really really super very interested in an SD3 library without all the room tone of the kits that come with the full version.

No matter what I do – mute the overheads, mute the ambience (obviously), put all the bleed controls at zero, •solo any drum in the mixer• – the crazy long decay of the original recording is really really getting to me! It’s all over every drum in every drum kit, there’s no relief from it. It’s so loud I can’t even gate it out of the snare drums.

Please let me know if I’ve overlooked a solution to this, and if I have, please enlighten me! More than a few times a client has said “the drums sound nice but can you turn off all that reverb??” There isn’t any reverb. “Then what am I hearing?” It’s the samples, they were recorded that way. “Then why are you using it?” Ummm

–Kevin  

So you are saying that there is nothing to do other then use 3`rd party plugs to get through with it? Or maybe not even that?

[Henrik]

@Kevin W Smith said:
Hi. New here. Long time SD3 user, first time posting. Found this thread on Google.

If there’s an up to date thread about this forgive me, but I’m really really super very interested in an SD3 library without all the room tone of the kits that come with the full version.

No matter what I do – mute the overheads, mute the ambience (obviously), put all the bleed controls at zero, •solo any drum in the mixer• – the crazy long decay of the original recording is really really getting to me! It’s all over every drum in every drum kit, there’s no relief from it. It’s so loud I can’t even gate it out of the snare drums.

Please let me know if I’ve overlooked a solution to this, and if I have, please enlighten me! More than a few times a client has said “the drums sound nice but can you turn off all that reverb??” There isn’t any reverb. “Then what am I hearing?” It’s the samples, they were recorded that way. “Then why are you using it?” Ummm

–Kevin  

Well, the drums in different libraries are recorded in different studios – and they sound as the drums sound in that studio. However, you can control the ringing (tail) of the audio both individually of each instrument, and on each mixer channel.

If you select the snare and lower the Release part of the level envelope (in the Envelope and Offset property box), you’ll get a shorter decay which will cut the tail in all mixer channels. To get a more realistic sound, you can select the overhead and room mixer channels and increase the Level Envelope Releases value. This will increase the ringing in those mics, which is what will happen in you record a short ringing instrument…

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
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[Jeff Anderson]

I didn’t see a response from TT to the OP’s original request so I’m guessing there aren’t any plans to do a SDX dry/dampened kit in a small room? I’m also very interested in that sound. I have the Indiependent, Custom & Vintage, and Roots packs, but none of them get that Air/Beck snare sound even with the “mute the room and ambience mics, tweak the decay” approach. I can get close on the toms, but for snares I’ve had to go the route of importing/stacking samples from Loop Loft’s Joey Waronker and Dry Drums libraries to do the job, but that means my fills are short/basic due to the limited velocity layers. It would be ideal to pull from a native kit to get a more versatile sample and save some time as well.

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[chaosphere_1]

Hi guys, here is the answer to your request I think, by Toontrack themselves.

I think “Envelope & Offset” are the key, listen to the snare drum when tweaked (start at 1:53) …

 

Edit : sorry I didn’t read what Henrik just wrote before 😉

• The post has been modified 4 times, last modified 5 years, 10 months ago by chaosphere_1.

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[mitchellprice]

Hi,

I was after the exact same sound and I found a solution that works for me. I really wanted the tight and punchy drums from Daft Punk’s Random Access Memories so I ended up using a transient shaper on each drum channel (I had each channel routed externally to output to tracks in my DAW). This not only allowed me to reduce the sustain of the drums but also increase the punch, mimicking setting up mics very close to the kit. Hope this helps. This is similar to using the the previously mentioned envelope editor inside SD3 itself but just a lot easier to work with and fine tune.

[Jeff Anderson]

mitchellprice wrote:

Hi,

I was after the exact same sound and I found a solution that works for me. I really wanted the tight and punchy drums from Daft Punk’s Random Access Memories so I ended up using a transient shaper on each drum channel (I had each channel routed externally to output to tracks in my DAW). This not only allowed me to reduce the sustain of the drums but also increase the punch, mimicking setting up mics very close to the kit. Hope this helps. This is similar to using the the previously mentioned envelope editor inside SD3 itself but just a lot easier to work with and fine tune.

Yes, good call on the transient shaper. I’ve taken that approach as well at times. It’s just disappointing that three years after the original post, TT is still ignoring this segment of the market for their SDX  Expansions. We don’t need a high profile producer or a prestigious studio for it. Just high quality mics and outboard gear, a basement studio, a good maple drum kit (with a Ludwig snare or two), a decent drummer, some tea towels, duct tape and a programming team to put it all together. With all of Toontrack’s expertise, I’m sure they would do a better job of it than the others who have tried and come up short (Circles Dead Drums, Loop Loft Dry Drums, Native Instruments Abbey Road 70s Drummer, Platinum Samples Ocean Way Drums, Past to Future Samples). Oh well. Here’s a video to enjoy while we wait for that ever elusive “Dry 70s Drums SDX”: https://youtu.be/5zhyvZXduvk

• This post was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by Jeff Anderson.

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[Elian96]

Hello. Im really really badly looking for this.

 

@toontrack PLEASE make one, it is the only thing thus far that is properly missing.

 

Bands like Tame Impala, MGMT, Roosevelt, and any funk band from the 70’s. Come on, its a beautiful sound. Rooms are not the only thing we need.

 

The envelope tweaking option is not good enough because the snare sample itself has room baked into it, because it was recorded at a roomy studio.

 

Walls of hansa gets close with the vocal booth studio, but it could be better.

 

I and im sure many others would love it if this would be your next project. Thanks

 

REFERENCE TO THE EXACT SOUND: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMgFzvg72XE

[egm93]

I bought the Decades SDX for that reason alone. The 70s soul and tight pop Ludwig kit is IMHO the closest thing to that natural dry and fat 70s drum sound we all lust for, especially when only using the close mics and overheads (too much decay on the room mics).

With that said, I would also love to see a dedicated dry-sound SDX! Small room, thee or five different kits, lots of snares (normal and muffled) and lots of OH and ROOM mics…. 🙂

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