After a long, agonizing period of experimentation, I have finally elected to post here. I have beee been attempting to lay down drum tracks (written with DKFH EZX in EZDrummer, then somewhat rewritten with Superior) in Digital Performer. I’ve always recorded my MIDI drums to audio like recording a live kit: mono kick, mono snare, mono hats, stereo toms, stereo overheads. My attempts to do so with EZDrummer/Superior and DP have been questionable, at best. As you know, in order to record a mono track from a stereo VI, you have to pan DP’s VI channel hard left or right, freeze the track, then bounce the frozen track to a mono audio file (or, if you’re running the plug in pre-gen mode, just bounce the track to a mono audio file). So far, this has met with horrific-sounding snares and hats, though my kicks seem fine. I figured it might have something to do with panning the ambience mics, so I tried hard panning all the associated ambience mics, as well as the output and send outs in Superior. Same results. My stereo tracks — the toms and overheads — seem okay, and the kick also doesn’t fare too badly. I’m also recording at 88.2 KHz 32-bit float, which may or may not be a factor. The individual mono tracks simply don’t sound as good as they did in the EZDrummer or Superior VI.
My question becomes: should I even bother splitting up the drums like this, or simply record everything but the kick in one stereo track? Is there a specific way to record mono drums that I’m not doing?
I may have answered my own question: I decided to re-record my mono kick, snare and hats as stereo files without tweaking any mic placement in EZDrummer/Superior. This way, I get the actual sound plus room tone as originally intended, without hard panning any mic placement. It’s a lot like recording the whole kit in one shot, which is what I suspect most of you do, except that I still have control over the individual drums’ volume, EQ and send. Unsurprisingly, the sound quality improved drastically.
You can just bounce from Superior, rather than your DAW. Then you’ll have the mono and stereo files that you expect – and you import them back into the DAW as audio files.
It’s easy – and it’s in the manual – check it out.
John Braner
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As I said, I record in 32-bit float, rather than 24-bit, so I would have to convert the imported files. It also means more files than necessary — I’d have a mono direct file and various stereo ambience files to achieve pretty much the same results I’m getting by recording my snares, kicks and hats simply as stereo files, and I’m not the kind of track tweaker to want or need “Snare Top”/”Snare Bottom”/”Overhead Ambience”/etc. I definitely appreciate that about Superior, though! You can get as simple or as elaborate as you want.
Can I just ask the purpose of needing the mono output are you specifically recording for broadcast mediums or something?
Either way, upconverting from 24bit to 32bit only produces extra silence, there is no introduction of noise and the waveform isn’t degraded.
Another quick question, it seems the industry HD format is 24bit /96khz, are you finding noticeable improvements with having the extra dynamic range at 32bit? as I hate to say it but for a majority of the time (for the moment) it still gets mixed down to 16bit.
What material are you recording? I’m Curious to know more about this endeavour 🙂
Regards
D.
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Also sidenote, might seem obvious, but there is less overhead on the CPU if the tracks are bounced, leaving more cycles to load specific plugins etc.
Regards
D.
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I may have answered my own question: I decided to re-record my mono kick, snare and hats as stereo files without tweaking any mic placement in EZDrummer/Superior. This way, I get the actual sound plus room tone as originally intended, without hard panning any mic placement. It’s a lot like recording the whole kit in one shot, which is what I suspect most of you do, except that I still have control over the individual drums’ volume, EQ and send. Unsurprisingly, the sound quality improved drastically.
I’m doing my first mixdown in DP with sd2. I am bouncing each instrument to it’s own track one at a time (!!!). Is there a way to bounce them all at once in DP? I tried to bounce them within the superior drummer plug-in with no results yet (pressed bounce and nothing happened – I’m sure it’s a setting I’m overlooking somewhere).
byron spears
Please check the latest S2 manual, section 6 OFFLINE BOUNCING for the proper procedure for using the bounce feature in S2. Pressing the ‘Bounce’ button is the last step.
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
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