Modern Vintage or Tape Drums sounds

[wagzisnotadrummer]

Toontrack, I love and use C&V SDX for Superior Drummer...

Toontrack, I love and use C&V SDX for Superior Drummer 2, but I often find myself wanting deeper, lower tuned snares, other micing options, and the sweet tone and feel of tape. C&V 1 has been out for a while and I think Toontrack could use a new SDX in their library. Please, Toontrack, release a new “tracked to tape” version of the C&V SDX.

I am looking for vintage vibe/tone similar to C&V 1, but on steroids, basically. Here are my requests:

1.Keep the damped sound, using the same drums, studio, and drummer (as C&V 1) but with extras like more low tunings, tea towel drums(a bit more damped), and two different stick sizes(thick or jazzy).

2. Vintage console (API/Dalcon), and mics (wherever possible) tracked to TAPE!!!– Gotta have it! This is absolutely crucial. I think it’s one of the main reasons I love the drums on old records and albums, and I don’t think it’s just me. Have you noticed all of the interest in tape plugins?

3. Need more more soft snare hits and cross sticks.

This is primarily what I’m after:
This nails the exact sound I want. Listen to that punch!:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=noSc9c3J_2Y

This(for the example of softer hits). Just look at this drummer. LOL. The grin on his face is priceless.:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tIdIqbv7SPo

Here’s another good example of what I want:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y5_PQbYdtK8

I have posted my petition at Gearslutz, but I’ll ask here, too. Any of you ladies and gents that are after this sound and want Toontrack to release an SDX tracked to tape that is aimed at achieving these sounds, please, chime in! What do you say? Yea or nay?

Toontrack, I love and use C&V SDX for Superior Drummer 2, but I often find myself wanting deeper, lower tuned snares, other micing options, and the sweet tone and feel of tape. C&V 1 has been out for a while and I think Toontrack could use a new SDX in their library. Please, Toontrack, release a new “tracked to tape” version of the C&V SDX.

I am looking for vintage vibe/tone similar to C&V 1, but on steroids, basically. Here are my requests:

1.Keep the damped sound, using the same drums, studio, and drummer (as C&V 1) but with extras like more low tunings, tea towel drums(a bit more damped), and two different stick sizes(thick or jazzy).

2. Vintage console (API/Dalcon), and mics (wherever possible) tracked to TAPE!!!– Gotta have it! This is absolutely crucial. I think it’s one of the main reasons I love the drums on old records and albums, and I don’t think it’s just me. Have you noticed all of the interest in tape plugins?

3. Need more more soft snare hits and cross sticks.

This is primarily what I’m after:
This nails the exact sound I want. Listen to that punch!:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=noSc9c3J_2Y

This(for the example of softer hits). Just look at this drummer. LOL. The grin on his face is priceless.:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tIdIqbv7SPo

Here’s another good example of what I want:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y5_PQbYdtK8

I have posted my petition at Gearslutz, but I’ll ask here, too. Any of you ladies and gents that are after this sound and want Toontrack to release an SDX tracked to tape that is aimed at achieving these sounds, please, chime in! What do you say? Yea or nay?

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[wagzisnotadrummer]

Ok. I know i keep requesting things, but I need to add one more to the list. Please include a Slingerland Rolling Bomber kit(at the least the kick and snare drums). I had been trying to get close to Jay Bellerose’s drum sound (Joe Henry, Solomon Burke, Plant /Krauss, LaMontagne), but I didn’t know that he was the drummer on all of these albums with these amazing drums. And, I didn’t know what drumkit was used to get those bassdrum sounds. As it turns out, it’s the Slingerland Rolling Bomber kit. Anyways, this Rolling Bomber kit definitely belongs in the Custom and Vintage family. This rare, vintage kit has got rosewood tension casings and the kick is 28 inches ! I have been trying to get that exact kick sound, but I am coming up short. It sounds natural, but it has such a deep and sometimes long sound. I always thought it was a taiko drum or something, but I was wrong. Here’s a brief clip of a Slingerland Rolling Bomber Kit and clip with it in an awesome Solomon Burke song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB85ywgfdoQ&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBL1uOuH774

I would love to have this kit with both a long and short(ala the Burke tune posted above) tailed kick drum. The Raising Sand album from Plant and Krauss has the longer, less damped, kick drum sound on several songs. Please, Toontrack, check out this kit and consider it for the Toontrack library.

That Rolling Bomber bass drum would have been perfect for my song “almost asleep almost awake”(it’s on my soundcloud page). I had to use a 808 kick and it sounds cheesy.

EDIT:There is a description and history of this kit mid about midway through this video.

[wagzisnotadrummer]

I discovered that the New York (Allaire) SDX has a 26 inch Slingerland kick and that Roots has a 28 inch Camco. I was thinking that one of these SDX libraries might hold be a close replacement for the 28 inch Rolling Bomber. Can somebody make a quick low to medium velocity drum loop at a fairly slow tempo (60-84 bpm) using either of these drums as the kick?

[Jay Coover]

http://www.jaycoover.com/stuff/Kicks.wav

1st: Allaire Slingerland
2nd: Roots Camco
3rd: Metal Foundry Ludwig Silver sparkle

Sorry, missed the tempo request.

Looking at your post above that, I’d say go for the Roots library if you want the same vibe as that drummer playing on youtube. The Camco may not actually be your best starting point for a big woody, jazzy kick. Maybe pick the Ludwig maple and pitch it down a bit.

If I closed my eyes and listened to him playing, I’d never guess that kick was a 28″.

SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings

[wagzisnotadrummer]

fizbin!!! Thanks so much for doing this! I’m torn between Allaire(that midrange is so cool) and the Metal Foundry Ludwig. I thought for sure that I was gonna end up with Roots, but I Allaire and MF are closer to what I want(more weight in the low end). That Ludwig would sound about near perfect if it weren’t as scooped in the mids(smiley face EQ?) and I don’t know how much compression is on the Slingerland, but its sounds very good. I’m off to check into Metal Foundry. That kit sounds natural and weighty. Fizbin, thanks again!

[Jay Coover]

That Roots Camco sounds like it may have been a wooden beater. I forgot to check if there was felt option. Might have made a big difference.

There are two John Bonham kits in the Metal Foundry with a 26″ kick…the Ludwig Silver sparkle and Ludwig Vistalite. He used both, but if memory serves used the sparkle kits more often. I think the Vistalite was more of a live kit for show.

If you want jazz hits, then get Roots, it’s not just the kit pieces themselves but it really is the way it is played.

Metal Foundry is going to have bigger hits, but also will run the range from light to heavy. It’s just that the way Roots was played will allow for the sound of a drummer with more finesse than with Metal Foundry. Though, for instance in Roots the crashes are never hit like a rock drummer would hit a crash. Big difference there.

fizbin

SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings

[wagzisnotadrummer]

Speaking of beaters, I don’t see this info listed on the “details” page for the NY SDX and the Metal Foundry SDX. I’d like to know if they allow a felt beater option.

[Scott]

The NY Studios SDX has felt and plastic beater choices.

TMF SDX isn’t specified.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[wagzisnotadrummer]

Thanks Scott, I bought the NY Studios SDX and Metal Foundry. If you guys have any more SDX’s with very large kick drums, please tell me. I guess I want something that sounds like a marching bass drum.

Examples provided:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7RLjMmY5Q8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgzs6pT26KI&feature=related

[Scott]

Here’s a bit of improv I did on my Zendrum awhile back. It’s the Allaire Slingerland kick.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[wagzisnotadrummer]

Thanks, Scott. I found that file before I bought the New York SDX. It was one of the main reasons that I decided to get it. It sounds great.

[Scott]

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Romanp]

Maybe Custom and Vintage 2 Tea Towels and Gaffer tape, Oh yeah!

[Romanp]

I tried a snare treatment method of taping the snare wires a bit on my Ludwig supraphonic. Dang that tightened things up. Getting closer to the late 70s roots rub a dub snare.

[Coryd]

ORIGINAL: Romanp

I tried a snare treatment method of taping the snare wires a bit on my Ludwig supraphonic. Dang that tightened things up. Getting closer to the late 70s roots rub a dub snare.

Still want a reggae/dub SDX. That would be sick awesome!

S2.3 NY Vol 2/Music City/Metal Foundry/Evil Drums/dfh Superior Claustrophobic/Electronic/Twisted Kit/Metal Machine

[Westfinga]

ORIGINAL: Romanp I tried a snare treatment method of taping the snare wires a bit on my Ludwig supraphonic. Dang that tightened things up. Getting closer to the late 70s roots rub a dub snare.

I tried a snare treatment method of taping the snare wires a bit on my Ludwig supraphonic. Dang that tightened things up. Getting closer to the late 70s roots rub a dub snare.

Good trick , i use a lot of trick too , to have dry muffled sound … Do you see my response here ? http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/725043-drum-software-can-sound-close-gregory-isaacs-night-nurse-albums-drum-sound.html PM me !!!! i have same demand like you ….where is the REAL muffled sound of late 70 ??? They talk about transient master etc ….but is not the same like real muffling and all product i ve see don’t have a real dry sound , always little ring or room….

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