L.O.T.E. Fill Insanity and EZX Metal Machine

[pwhite078]

Hey guys,
I’m using EZDrummer and the Metal Machine pack and am considering purchasing the L.O.T.E. Fill Insanity midi pack. Can someone tell me if all of the fills have the same “mix/sound” as the beats and fills from the Metal Machine pack? I want to ensure that everything I use has a consistent sound to it and I’m not familiar with mixing and matching beats and fills from different packs and then re-mixing to blend everything together. If possible, I’d like to just pick and choose from beats and fills that have the same sound.

Thanks for your help!

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[Juicy]

The sound will be the Metal Machine sound because the sound engine is producing the sound not the midi.
The midi”playing the sounds will give other timing ,feels,beats,fills or grooves.
As example.
If you had all the great players on all the different midi packs come and sit on that kit.
There will be differences in the grooves and patterns but just as if they came to your studio to play that one kit the sound will be perfectly consistent.
Thats part of the charm of the whole concept. Go for it !

[Whitten]

You are right Juicy, but just to add a difference in velocity values can change the sound performance of Superior and EZdrummer.
So if LOTE is all slamming 127’s and Metal Machine is not, you’ll feel there is a different sound.
Easily fixed with a change of velocity edit, but simple things like that can sometimes freak people out.

[Juicy]

Get your point –

Just checked MM and shes running hot plenty of 127’s
and i did a 8 bar of 1 bar fills and grooves from Evil Drums,Metal,Jazz,PopRock,Nirz2,Vintage,Classic,difference =none ,some are softer but that 127 ceiling is like a natural limiter its perfectly running smoothly wouldnt freak out a kitten

So to summarise there may be some but not that much differences in velocity of the playing (easily edited) but it will be the exact same drum and mix sound.It may pop out more,
i think you mentioned “mix/sound” so ya know…..i would say totally go for it.

[VOLiTiAN]

To be honest, as a good matter of course, when you start to pick different beats from different players, recorded by a slightly altered setup, or programming your own modifications to the groove/new groove, I tend to think it’s beneficial to just open up the entire MIDI track and *visually* look to see if kit pieces are in line with what you’d imagine they should be doing, i.e. scan over ensure velocities are consistent with what you think they should be.

Aside from that going back and listening to the audio whilst checking the MIDI is always a good idea, it can often help to pick out any silly errors and perhaps more importantly down the line if you *know* your MIDI is spot on, give you clues as to which kit pieces might need further mixing etc, it’s a very circular process but it’s good for ironing out creases and knowing your tracks inside and out, better 🙂

Regards

D.

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[Juicy]

Yeah V i wouldn’t say what i said without looking at my midi event editor in logic where i do most my editing and work on my own beats.
No pro would not do what you mention above,its part of our job to know inside out just to verify what we know we can hear.Part of the process.
But i was mighty surprised by this 8 bar piece it was fluid.
Evil Drums had one snare smack out but that was because its programmed with snare having the E note as Full Rimshot similar to but not identical to others EZ packs .I think actually Metal Drums Maybe too so it responded to this well.
Its a great point you make especially for the learner drivers who may not know cuz in that regard L.O.T.E may need some tweaking to jump out if its snare are all on the D notes only.

[VOLiTiAN]

Hey that’s cool Juicy, my post wasn’t aimed at yourself, but good to know that after our little “mis-hap” a while ago things have settled now and we seem to be agreeing on the same points 🙂

I think there’s only so many times where you want to freeze the drums, and start mixing them only to find you’ve got hits that are back-to-back but have say different velocities on a double-kick beat etc and you have to unfreeze, re-edit and re-freeze (esp when the projects start getting more convoluted)

I found with all the groove monkee beats, half of them sound out of time??? and every snare is mapped to a weird rimshot rather than GM standard D1, annoying for auditioning…

Regards

D.

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[Juicy]

So to clarify this ,
Most the EZx midi is firing snares on D only .
I have found the Evil Drums SDX Midi to actually have the E Snare being used but it sounds right with EZx MetalMachine,Classic,Americana as they have that full rimshot on The E as well.I used to hate that full 127 on the E note when it was a FX or Special ,thin sounding rimshot but love a full Rimshot although it makes for auditioning pitfalls as mentioned above.edit

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