I suspect the Toontrack libraries are missing a well done library of short punchy drums

[Romanp]

Yes I think my issue with the toontrack libraries is...

Yes I think my issue with the toontrack libraries is that to try and get a genuine funk, disco, reggae etc short decay, tight drum sounds we are expected to use amplitude envelopes, gates, transient designers.
Maybe some of my favourite records used gates to get the funky tight snare sounds. But I doubt it.
Having a Clyde Stubblefield kit that sounds nothing like our favourite recordings of him like ‘funky drummer’ is disappointing.
Jabos snare sounds closer.
I haven’t bought Superior Drummer or any Toontrack stuff yet. I’ve been studying the demo audios.
I love the idea of being able to sound like real drums from my Roland TD3KW. I will sometimes supplement a real acoustic hihat.
But from listening to the demos, I reckon there is still a big hole for the best most usable drum sounds for grooves that have shorter dampened snares etc.
Custom and vintage has some dampened snares.
I may be wrong, but I think a library with raw unprocessed but heavily and moderately dampened drums at a three different tunings is missing from the Toontrack sounds.
Go listen to James Browns ‘funky president’ or Johnny Osbournes ‘water pumping’ or most of the famous breakbeats.
All or mostly short punchy drums.
Maybe I am missing some tape saturation that I can add using my reel to reel. Or maybe I can get these sounds with envelopes and gates etc.
Go listen to Barry White and the love unlimited orchestra ‘Midnight an’
Edwin Starr ‘Easin In’
Cebu ‘The commodores’
The Boss by James Brown

They all have a punchy snare with no ringing sound.
Maybe there are some of these sounds already in the Toontrack sound library. But from my listening to all the demos, I reckon they should make a library that gets closer to the short punchy drum sounds than Custom and Vintage does.
Like 12 different snares all dampened and heavily dampened with 2 or 3 tunings. Probably dry would be best or dry with some room mics.

I suspect I also like the analogue distortions on these older recordings.
I wouldn’t object to real tape saturation being used during the recording process. Or perhaps processed through tape after recorded digitally and edited.

I reckon too many of these drums are contemporary pop, rock, metal etc. Ringing snares.

I would love a large library of funky shorter punchy drum kits.

‘who is she’ gladys knight and the pips
Bill Withers ‘kissing my love’

Hasn’t Toontrack totally missed the best drum sounds for dance music like 70s funk, disco, reggae?

And like I said give us a large selection of different punchy drums. Different style kicks and snares etc.

Congratulations Toontrack on your recordings so far.
Roman.

Or do I just need to buy these softwares and learn how to edit sounds?

After this library request we could get a Stax style drum kit.

Yes I think my issue with the toontrack libraries is that to try and get a genuine funk, disco, reggae etc short decay, tight drum sounds we are expected to use amplitude envelopes, gates, transient designers.
Maybe some of my favourite records used gates to get the funky tight snare sounds. But I doubt it.
Having a Clyde Stubblefield kit that sounds nothing like our favourite recordings of him like ‘funky drummer’ is disappointing.
Jabos snare sounds closer.
I haven’t bought Superior Drummer or any Toontrack stuff yet. I’ve been studying the demo audios.
I love the idea of being able to sound like real drums from my Roland TD3KW. I will sometimes supplement a real acoustic hihat.
But from listening to the demos, I reckon there is still a big hole for the best most usable drum sounds for grooves that have shorter dampened snares etc.
Custom and vintage has some dampened snares.
I may be wrong, but I think a library with raw unprocessed but heavily and moderately dampened drums at a three different tunings is missing from the Toontrack sounds.
Go listen to James Browns ‘funky president’ or Johnny Osbournes ‘water pumping’ or most of the famous breakbeats.
All or mostly short punchy drums.
Maybe I am missing some tape saturation that I can add using my reel to reel. Or maybe I can get these sounds with envelopes and gates etc.
Go listen to Barry White and the love unlimited orchestra ‘Midnight an’
Edwin Starr ‘Easin In’
Cebu ‘The commodores’
The Boss by James Brown

They all have a punchy snare with no ringing sound.
Maybe there are some of these sounds already in the Toontrack sound library. But from my listening to all the demos, I reckon they should make a library that gets closer to the short punchy drum sounds than Custom and Vintage does.
Like 12 different snares all dampened and heavily dampened with 2 or 3 tunings. Probably dry would be best or dry with some room mics.

I suspect I also like the analogue distortions on these older recordings.
I wouldn’t object to real tape saturation being used during the recording process. Or perhaps processed through tape after recorded digitally and edited.

I reckon too many of these drums are contemporary pop, rock, metal etc. Ringing snares.

I would love a large library of funky shorter punchy drum kits.

‘who is she’ gladys knight and the pips
Bill Withers ‘kissing my love’

Hasn’t Toontrack totally missed the best drum sounds for dance music like 70s funk, disco, reggae?

And like I said give us a large selection of different punchy drums. Different style kicks and snares etc.

Congratulations Toontrack on your recordings so far.
Roman.

Or do I just need to buy these softwares and learn how to edit sounds?

After this library request we could get a Stax style drum kit.

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[Whitten]

Yes, he mostly plays everything live, but there are definitely sampled drums on some songs.

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