EZD2 e-drum feature request regarding closed and tight hihat

[MintberryCrunch]

Hello Toontrack developers,

With Cubase midi-parameters I can use EZDrummer2 excellently with e-drums. But one important thing is missing:
Playing the “closed” articulation instead of the “tight” one is impossible for variable hihat. My controller pedal always sends full CC04 value “127” when my foot closes the pedal – so the “tight” sound is the result.
I don´t know if you can “gate” Roland controllers’ values within a Roland modul – please tell me if you can set the put out midi CC04 value triggering the “closed” instead of the “tight” articulation for foot position fully down (e.g. max perhaps “123” – so with the foot fully down not a “127” is sent) – but I only know about trigger curves and these are only curves and not “gates”.
I even don’t have a chance with cubase midi parameters to gate the CC04.
So why not implementing a button “exclude tight articulations” because only having the “tight” sounds when playing e-drums is really annoying.
I´m really waiting for this feature!
You might say “please use SuperiorDrummer” but I can tell you that I have SD2 and bought the new EZD2 because it really sounds diffrent from SD2 and it is great and simple with the black box-like FX presets – so I don’t think that the flagship (SD2) should be preferred when wanting great e-drum-sound… You really did a great job with this new tool so please implement this feature with an update to be really perfect. (the “exclude tight articulations” setting should be in the menu where you can choose hihat pedal curves…)

by the way:
it would be really the most perfect if there was the option to mix the “tight” and the “closed” sounds for both pad areas (bow and edge):
For example having a “closed” bow sound and a “tight” edge sound for foot position fully down…
but I know: that’s a tall order

Best regards from Germany.

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[Greg]

I’m sure up you can Cubase’s logical editor to accomplish what you want with the CC value.

Intel 13900K, Windows 11 , Cubase Pro 13.0.30, Studio One 6.2.1.64495, 64GB RAM, UA Apollo x4 and UA Apollo X8 Thunderbolt,, 64 sample buffer size, Radeon 570, 42″ 4k monitor

MIDI controller: Roland A-37, Jamstik Studio, MCU Pro + expander
Drum Brain: Yamaha DTX 900, RHH135 hihat, 2 crash and 1 ride cymbal, 4 toms.

[MintberryCrunch]

@gmontano said:

I’m sure up you can Cubase’s logical editor to accomplish what you want with the CC value.

Please explain!
Thanks.

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[MintberryCrunch]

…oh, I know now what you mean: Cubase tools (midi-inserts) like “transformer” or “input transformer” (they have to work in real time).
Yes, they were there – included in my old 32 bit “Cubase Essential 4” – version.

My new 64 bit version is “Cubase Elements 7” (regarding the price it is the new renamed “Essential” version), and guess what?! : Midi-inserts have been removed.
So I have to pay another 153,- Euro to get the “Artist 7.5” version only for this feature.

So I ask you, the Toontrack developers: Do I really have to?
Or will my requested EZD2 feature be implemented soon???

Dear developers, please give me an answer.
Thank you.

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[MintberryCrunch]

You’ll have to set Cubase “Transformer” (midi-insert) to send the max CC04 value up to “116” to trigger the “closed” instead of the “tight” articulation. So you have to gate 11 from 127. (checked this with Cubase Pro Trial-version)

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[Greg]

Are you looking to fix it up after recorded or while?

Here is some info on the logical editor (not sure if it is included with Cubase Artist.)

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug10/articles/cubase-tech-0810.htm

The MIDI plugin is probably easier though. Cubase is great for MIDI manipulation.

Intel 13900K, Windows 11 , Cubase Pro 13.0.30, Studio One 6.2.1.64495, 64GB RAM, UA Apollo x4 and UA Apollo X8 Thunderbolt,, 64 sample buffer size, Radeon 570, 42″ 4k monitor

MIDI controller: Roland A-37, Jamstik Studio, MCU Pro + expander
Drum Brain: Yamaha DTX 900, RHH135 hihat, 2 crash and 1 ride cymbal, 4 toms.

[MintberryCrunch]

@Arno.Meyer said:

You’ll have to set Cubase “Transformer” (midi-insert) to send the max CC04 value up to “116” to trigger the “closed” instead of the “tight” articulation. So you have to gate 11 from 127. (checked this with Cubase Pro Trial-version)

amendment:
The E-Drum mode and the Pedal Correction affects the setting – so my quote is for the EZD2 settings “E-Drum mode: Roland and Pedal Correction 2”

for Roland-mode but without Pedal Correction you’ll have to gate only 2 from 127, so the “closed” instead of the “tight” articulation is triggered at CC04 value 125.

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[MintberryCrunch]

@gmontano said:

Are you looking to fix it up after recorded or while?

Here is some info on the logical editor (not sure if it is included with Cubase Artist.)

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug10/articles/cubase-tech-0810.htm

The MIDI plugin is probably easier though. Cubase is great for MIDI manipulation.

I’m looking to fix it up while e-drumming in real time.
The Cubase MIDI plugin “Transformer” is the tool for this and it works great. It is included with Cubase Artist. So I have to buy this DAW if Toontrack is not improving EZD2 for the demands of e-drummers.

The only thing that I think is very hard to set with the MIDI pugin is the mixing of bow and edge:

@Arno.Meyer said:

it would be really the most perfect if there was the option to mix the “tight” and the “closed” sounds for both pad areas (bow and edge):
For example having a “closed” bow sound and a “tight” edge sound for foot position fully down…

It would be really nice if EZD2 could implement this!

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