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Hello , I got ez drummer to work fine on my mac (10.6.6.) I’m confused about ez drummer and ez drummer solo . Are they two separate programs ? I have solo coming up and it works fine . But I’m having trouble getting the keyboard to work with the drum pads with the ez drummer . I can’t figure out how to get the two to work together . I have read the solo manual and the akai quick start manual a 100 times ( the akai manual is pretty vague ) and I just don’t get it . Am I missing something ? The akai came with an editor but I can’t figure out how to get the two work together. HELP PLEASE
Essentially, yes, EZdrummer and Toontrack solo are separate programs.
Toontrack solo serves as a “host” for EZdrummer, similar to how Reaper, Cubase, ProTools, etc. can also host the EZdrummer plugin.
solo only hosts Toontrack programs though (i.e. Superior Drummer 2, EZdrummer, or Beatstation) and any sequencing is done via EZplayer Pro.
Just curious — is your Akai an LPK25? If so, I have one and can follow along, but I’m also on Windows, so there may be some differences.
Shortest route for me to get it triggering drums in EZdrummer in solo is to plug it in, start up solo, go to Options > MIDI Devices in solo, and select, in my case, “USB Audio Device”. Then, I press the down octave button on the LPK once, since that gets me the most easily-accessible range of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI#Percussion … and play, with the kick being on the lowest note (the C). No need to open the Akai editor in this case.
WinXP | Fireface 800 | Variax | Axe-Fx | Toontrack | Komplete | Reaper http://www.godprobe.com/projects/notemaps/
hey, thanks. Mine is the little akai mpk mini laptop . It has a keyboard with 15 keys and 8 drum pads . Now when you say “Host ” , dose That refer to logic and garage band ? Thanks
yep, again, not having a Mac, I’m not sure about Garage Band, but I’m pretty certain Logic can host/run/use plugins
WinXP | Fireface 800 | Variax | Axe-Fx | Toontrack | Komplete | Reaper http://www.godprobe.com/projects/notemaps/
Thanks for talking to me . I ‘m in so cal too , high desert toward vegas . No one up here has a clue , including me ! I have given up on this keyboard drum pad thing , after weeks of trying to figure it out I give up . Why they would sell something so hard to use I don ‘t know . I contacted the company that sold it to me and they don’t even know how to get it to work ! But this is what what want to do , I want to be able to make my own beats with some sort of drum pad with ez drummer sounds and loop them in some program ( thats easy to use for an old dude ) and practice my guitar with it . If you can give advice on a set up thats ez to use please help . Thanks
Well, there’s definitely a learning curve on each part of that.
The pad/keys performance and learning MIDI part, the recording software part, and looping. EZdrummer’s actually fairly self-describingly “EZ” compared to those other things.
imho, don’t give up on that Akai keyboard. Akai’s supposed to have some of the better feeling pads, and for me, finding good pads was more than half the battle when I was trying to do the same thing as you are now.
Also, I apparently glossed over the point about “pads” in your first post. Yeah, those probably won’t be quite as plug-and-play with EZdrummer as the keyboard keys themselves. If triggering EZ is working with the keys, I’d recommend using those until you work out all these other things that are new to you.
With MIDI, there are many different kinds of messages. Three of the most important are “Note”, “Program Change” (PC), and “Continuous Controller” (CC). Keyboard keys are pretty straightforward — they send MIDI Note messages. And that’s the kind of messages you need to trigger the different kit pieces in EZdrummer. By default, I would guess that the Akai, on the pads (and the knobs), sends out CC messages. I don’t know if you can change that or not. If not, there are other workarounds to get those translated to Note messages, but that gets into way too many variables and detail for me to try to do on a forum, let alone in one post unless I have very specific info on the other software/tools you are and will be using. In short — that’s probably why the pads aren’t working out for triggering the drums right now.
So, again… give the keys themselves a try. And there, it just takes practice, and lots of patience. Just like learning to play drums or a keyboard, you can’t just instantly be good at it, so expect to invest the time.
On to the software…
Again, there’s a bit of a Mac/Windows disconnect between yourself and me, so what you have already, especially if you have Logic, might be good enough. Otherwise, I like Reaper a lot (there’s a demo, and there’s a Mac version). And Ableton Live may be even more suited to you, since the looping faculties are built into it more intuitively than trying to set up decent looping phrases in Reaper. All of these (Logic, Reaper Ableton) can host EZdrummer and record MIDI. So, with any of them, you can record your ideas and play them back and I’d bet that you can do that just fine using the Akai. Again, with practice and patience, and a few things to learn.
I know I had very similar goals to yours when I was starting out with this stuff (~4 years ago now). [ack… disregard this… it’s Windows only… preserved it anyway for Windows folks that might be reading. ] Some people suggested Jamstix since that will automatically compose MIDI grooves on the fly. I never really got along with it, but other people love it so it might be worth checking out. What I do now, generally, is use or adapt (edit) the included grooves that come with EZdrummer/Superior and the expansions for those and jam along with that MIDI. And if I do need custom drum parts, I’ll usually use a keyboard, a metronome, and multiple takes to compose them, and then I’ll edit them some more afterward to clean them up.
The keys still don’t feel ideal to me, but I’ve almost entirely given up on using pads — haven’t thought about it in a long time anyway. I would definitely like to have an e-kit one of these days, but it’s not in my budget. The urge to get one is stronger now though, since I hooked up my Wii’s Rock Band 2 drum kit to my computer — it’s not bad, but I only get five kit pieces at once, no extra articulations (hat openness, snare rim shots, ride cymbal bell shots, etc.), and — most importantly — no velocity input. Still, not too bad for a video game accessory!
So, in short, no, I can’t give advice on a setup that’s easy to use. There’s learning involved and no way around it!
Hopefully though, you have a clearer idea of the available paths ahead.
…and the looping aspect will drive you particularly nuts. I’m still fighting with that one.
WinXP | Fireface 800 | Variax | Axe-Fx | Toontrack | Komplete | Reaper http://www.godprobe.com/projects/notemaps/
Hey , Thanks for your input ! I’ll keep trying . I bet some kid could sit down with this thing and figure it out in a hour . Mean while I keep scratching my head until the rest of my hair falls out . I’m like a monkey with a plastic banana , if I every figure out how to get open , it might be worth it ! Thank you for all your help . D
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