This is an annoying problem. First of all, I want to make clear that the problem I’m going to talk about here is NOT a problem in Toontrack products. It is a phenomenon that I suffer from. I guess most people who have worked with rhythm, groove and timing, acknowledge this problem.
I was working on a song and decided to use the songwriter back, great grooves there. Before inserting the groove into my project, I rehearsed the loop many times. Perfect. Sounds good, feels good. After inserting the groove into the song, I had to move kicks around here and there. Then this phenomenon stroke again: at some points of the song, the interference between the song movement and some kicks being on wrong beat made the groove feel like the performance is 5-10 bpm slower than what it really is. This is most annoying and I don’t know how to fix it. It does not help to make the song suddenly faster per se; then it would sound just faster and different from what it was before the speed change. Somehow it feels like there is a HUGE cap between beats and the flow suddenly just gets so much slower.
Have you experienced this? How did you fix it?
I’m gonna ask a silly question – please don’t take offense to it.
But when you auditioned the Groove – was it at a different Tempo than the song you are creating?
Thanks
Scott
-Mac Studio (2023)– Apple M2 Max
-macOS Ventura Version 13.6
-Logic Pro 10.7.9
-64 GB Ram
-Universal Audio Apollo 8 (UAD2 DUO) – max sample rate supported: 192
-typical buffer / typical sample rate: 128 / 44.1
-External drives:
*SanDisk 2TB USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-A/Type-C Portable SSD
*Glyph 3TB HD w/ USB-C/3.0/2.0 Compatibility
*OWC 2TB Aura P12 Pro NVME M.2 SSD housed in OWC Express 4-slot 4M2 M.2 NVME Thunderbolt 3 ports
-Midi Controllers: M-Audio Keystation 88, Novation 61SL
No offense taken at all!
The groove was in the same ballpark. All midi at this stage. Grooves templates will follow the tempo of the song. I am not sure if i understand your question correctly? This is not a problem of timing being off, it is more about how I perceive the groove in the song context.
The more I write the more stupid I feel, lol.
Hmm, maybe I’ll create a clip so you can hear what I mean.
Actually – I may have misunderstood something.
For whatever reason – I just assumed that you were Auditioning Grooves via the Groove Player within Superior.
with that said – I was referring to the Metronome button near the Play button within the Groove player.
If you have the Metronome button engaged, the groove will play at it’s original tempo … which may be a few BPM’s off from your tune.
Thanks
Scott
-Mac Studio (2023)– Apple M2 Max
-macOS Ventura Version 13.6
-Logic Pro 10.7.9
-64 GB Ram
-Universal Audio Apollo 8 (UAD2 DUO) – max sample rate supported: 192
-typical buffer / typical sample rate: 128 / 44.1
-External drives:
*SanDisk 2TB USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-A/Type-C Portable SSD
*Glyph 3TB HD w/ USB-C/3.0/2.0 Compatibility
*OWC 2TB Aura P12 Pro NVME M.2 SSD housed in OWC Express 4-slot 4M2 M.2 NVME Thunderbolt 3 ports
-Midi Controllers: M-Audio Keystation 88, Novation 61SL
I’m not sure what you’re talking about either – but moving kick or snare beats (or bass guitar notes) a little before or after the beat will certainly make the timing feel different. That’s what *real* musicians do (whether consciously or subconsciously) – and that’s how they played in the old days ie with real instruments before there were MIDI files
John Braner
http://johnbraner.bandcamp.com
http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
and all the major streaming/download sites.
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Reaper 7 x64 (latest version), Windows 11 Pro 64 bit, AMD Ryzen 3950x, 32GB RAM, MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk Wifi mobo (not using wifi though), NVIDIA GEForce GT710 video card, MOTU Ultralite AVB audio interface
Yeah, tiari, please explain a bit more, or offer up some clips. I certainly believe you when you say you’re having a problem, I just want us to be able to help you.
FWIW, I have never experienced the kind of thing you’re talking about. I would imagine it would be maddening.
Also, please give us more details on your system: machine specs, OS, DAW host and version, SD2 version, etc.
MBP 2.4 GHz | 4GB RAM | OSX 10.6.8 Logic Pro 9.1.5 | Metric Halo LIO-8/4P | Apogee ONE SD 2.3.0 | EZP 1.1.0 | Drumtracker 1.0.2
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