A few interesting things I’ve noticed with the VH-12 hi-hat and S2

E-drum Workshop
Viewing 8 replies - 16 through 23 (of 23 total)
  • plink
    Participant

    Joe: Yeah, I think that would be a good feature to add. Maybe even something to turn it off completely as well.

    I still think the crossfading is out of wack a bit tho… it really shouldn’t sound sloppy even with a quick hihat movement. And when switching between the different sample layers (ie. cc data changing from 80 down to 30) going from an open sample to a closed (or vice versa) it should still be a completely smooth transition. I would be interested in knowing exactly how you guys have the software switch between one sample to the next.  Is it even a crossfade? (or maybe the crossfade is too quick) Or is it just stop the sample, then start the next?

    About my low velocity control… I just really like the sound of the ‘tight’ closed hi-hat. More over the normal ‘loose’ closed hihat.

    plink
    Participant

    Hmm, I think I should clarify…. when I am talking about sample layers… I’m specifically meaning the ‘articulation changes’. The ‘sloppy sound’ or ‘bad crossfading’ is ONLY when the samples change ‘across’ different articulations.

    ie. as the sound changes from the 1/2 open hi-hat sound to the 1/4 open hi-hat sound… During this articulation crossover is the problem. Not when just playing 1/2 open hi-hats and 1/2 open hi-hats next to each other. (samples of the same articulation play/crossfade perfectly)

    After re-reading my posts, I think this is why there is confusion. I never actually specified this is only on consecutive hits while the articulation is changing.

    I have also done much more playing and I have found what I think is the full root of the issue. When the samples are crossfaded together… they are not overlapping perfectly. They are off by a couple milliseconds, which is resulting in the two articulations being heard as two samples instead of one ‘hit’ being seamlessly crossfaded as the pedal moves up or down.(like adding a very fast ‘delay’ to a sound) This also seems to be much more noticable near the front of each sample. (right after the ‘strike’)… as the sample plays out and the sound of the hi-hat dissipates, it’s much easy to perform a smooth crossfade, so it is far less noticable.

    To fix this I suggest maybe trying something like adding a variable crossfade time to your program… So that if an articulation change is triggered near the start of the sample, the crossfade will perform faster, (almost instantly) and as the sample plays out, any crossfade that may occur later on is done at a slower, more even speed. Also, if the program was ‘aware’ that an articulation crossfade had just been triggered it could further adjust or tweak the samples to ensure it is done completely smooth.

    Hopefully this makes sense. If not I can upload some images showing exactly what I mean. I am also a software engineer so if you need any help with anything, I would be more than happy to.

    Per Gerdvall
    Participant

    I agree to plink.
     
    There are something with the hihat that makes the sound “muddy” sometimes.
     
    I had a TD3 kit and now have a TD9 kit. Both had PD5 pad and FD8 for hihat, and both kit have the same problem.
    In general it works fine, but sometimes in some passages in my playing I hear something with the hihat that doesn’t sound like I meant it to sound.
    I can’t define it better right now.
     
    Maybe it is like I understand plink is saying that when I move the pedal after a stroke there are a new sample triggered in a way that don’t sound natural to me.
     
    If I play the TD9 with it’s internal sound the hihat response feels better. I can play more like a real hihat without thinking of adjusting my playing techniqe……but I rather use SD2 for the superior sounds.
    regards
    Pelle

    TD9KX MacBook SD2 with Claustrophobic and Jazz

    I have had similar problems with Superior 2.0 and the vh12 and td-20. It seems like it did help to play with the offset on the td-20. the auto setting did not work well. I definitely had to play with that setting.

    My main problem is the closed hihat. I recorded midi data of the closed sound coming straight out of the td-20 and every few times I close the pedal I see that it also triggers the closed bow sound. This causes the closed pedal sound to be erratic. I called Roland and they told me that this is normal. Now it is true that it is not as big of a problem when you use the td-20 hihat sounds. So if it is normal, how do I deal with that. How do I tell the Superior 2.0 to ignore that note on the closed pedal but not when I strike the bow (closed)

    Any help would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks
    mike

    Damian Blunt
    Moderator

    I also get best performance when altering offset from within the TD-12.
     
    I’ve been looking at the MIDI output from the VH-12 and have to agree it’s not the best….I too have the VH-12 and have noticed the closed sounds.  Obviously Toontrack cannot change the way the hardware peforms but as Rogue commented earlier they are always working hard to improve functionality within S2
     
    One other thing I’ve suffered with the VH-12 is low level footchick (closed pedal) notes being generated when I hit the hats at a certain degree of openness…This was causing really unpleasant side-effects.  To compensate for this I created a preset for Cubase’s input transformer to filter out these low level notes….the performance improved a huge amount.  I’m happy to share this if you use cubase and are getting the same problems…..
     
     
     

    Damian Blunt - Toontrack
    Quality Assurance
    Betatesting

    Tobbe
    Participant

    Hi Grandaddy
     
    I would really like to try that preset. I am using cubase aswell
     
    TJ

    Damian Blunt
    Moderator

    No problem – I’ve attached the file….you just need to copy it to your input transformer preset folder. 

    Damian Blunt - Toontrack
    Quality Assurance
    Betatesting

    Tobbe
    Participant

    Thanks!

Viewing 8 replies - 16 through 23 (of 23 total)

Please log in to read and reply to this topic.

No products in the cart.

×