Gary StephensLyrics from one of the demo tracks you have posted on your Toontrack home page to help sell the metal “gods” software……..
God is only for the dead.
God is only in my head.
Is there anyone who cares to answer our prayers?
God is only for the damned.
God is only in my head.
Is there anyone who cares to answer our prayers?
They say that God is for the dead.
But I won’t let up to rest my head.
They say this world is for the damned.
Then let it go because we are them.
They say God is for the youth.
And they say that guns could cure the truth.
If God is only for the damned.
I’d never want to live again.
It’s always ok to offend people who believe in God, as long as you don’t offend anybody else…….right? That seems to be the politically correct opinion in the world these days. Whatever it takes to sell the product! Right?
Maybe all of your customers are deicidal atheists, I don’t know. But I do notice that when you posted the demo clips for EZ Keys Gospel, you were very careful to make sure those demos have no lyrics! You don’t dare post any gospel music with lyrics, but it’s ok to put up the God hating demos for the metal heads.
I have never questioned my patronage of your products…..until now.
Gary
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wagzisnotadrummerGary, I think this is mostly a matter of them(most of the Toontrack guys) being from a different culture, I guess. Most of Metal music’s lyrics are like this. I’m not defending Toontrack, but I think you should take it into account as to why they have chosen these bands. And yes, I think they should have found some hardcore believers for the Toontrack Gospel stuff. Maybe it’s a simple matter of them not knowing any? I don’t know. Things seem to be very one-sided. I’m not defending them. I’m just saying…this is the state of Metal as a genre. To a Christian, the product is obviously blasphemous…Metal Gods. So, you probably shouldn’t have clicked “play” on the song files until you were ready to deal with this sorta thing.
LeMortSo because he is a Christian he shouldn’t play audio-samples at Toontrack? That’s to stupid.
I’m not saying this to start a war, I’m just saying.
I’m not taking side either, but I can understand the question on the basis of this;
Would Toontrack have published an audio-sample who stated anything really negative against Muslims?
That said, I think most lyrics attacking God isn’t really attacking God. He’s just a tool.
I’m not a Christian, I’m raised in a Christian home, I have many Christian friends, but I am not a Christian.
I do believe in God however, and I think he has way to much on his hand to bother with lyrics.
I believe he accepts different views.
But back to the point, it’s pointless to say he shouldn’t have access to Audio-samples because they’re metal and he is a Christian.
Morten
NathanNo, it’s called self censorship.
We live in a world of many cultures and the beliefs and lifestyles of some offend the beliefs of others. If you have these sensibilities, don’t go into territory where other beliefs are going to be expressed and/or celebrated.
To the OP: Who said it was aimed at “your” god anyway? Some people believe in more than one deity; just because you might be monotheistic doesn’t mean it was aimed at you and your beliefs. Many Christians denounce paganism and wicca, they’re allowed to preach these sorts of things in “civilised” countries with impunity. Do they give any thought to how the followers of these beliefs feel about it? That they might be offended?
There are many religions in this world and some of these guys believe their own things. Maybe you should be a little more tolerant and leave them alone? Each to their own…
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ScottThe lyrics sound very much to me as if the writer is questioning the existence of a higher power. It’s a subject as old as time…it shouldn’t get you burned at the stake in this day and age…
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
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NathanNot in a tolerant country, Scott.
How’s the live and let live vibe in your part of the woods, my friend..?
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NathanI’m. Agreeing. With. You.
Not. Burned. At. The. Stake.
I’m beginning to think my sense of humour took a wrong left turn somewhere…
Lock the thread before someone takes it seriously.
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Jay CooverWe’re seeing a lot of this type of projecting since the election. Sour grapes. Yawn.
SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings
wagzisnotadrummerLook man, I was just trying to help. lol! LeMort, I never said that he shouldn’t have access to the audio. I just suggested that he shouldn’t click on certain “questionable” links; especially if he’s gonna be so sensitive. And if you are gonna be that sensitive, maybe you should pay more attention to the “warning signs”. They were pretty obvious here. I mean c’mon…it’s Metal….and look at the song names. Look at the name of the product….
i could ramble more, but if you don’t get it by now…
NathanHeyup Wags, wasn’t having a go if you thought I was.
I was replying to Lemort’s post and then the OP.
Hard to communicate by the written word sometimes
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Gary StephensWhy is this…..
ORIGINAL: planetnine
No, it’s called self censorship.
Maybe you should be a little more tolerant and leave them alone?
…..a more popular solution than this?
ORIGINAL: wagzisnotadrummer
….they should have found some hardcore believers for the Toontrack Gospel stuff.
Why do so many people think I should shut up and tolerate it and just avoid listening to what might otherwise turn out to be good music? Why is that better than expecting equal representation for the gospel stuff?
It is difficult to get my point across in this medium but I was not asking to have the metal “gods” censored. I just think the examples should be equitable. If all the gospel stuff is instrumental then all the “metal gods” stuff should be instrumental. If you’re going to post deicidal mania (that’s not my choice term for it, that’s what some of the metal heads call it, sorry, laugh it up!) then why not post some equally poignant gospel mania. Gospel artists are just as enthused about their message as the metal heads are about theirs. I’m not posting songs about killing Ozzie and destroying evil death metal, and I never would. Why is it so important for the metal guys to be able to push their message up front with impunity, but without allowing the same privilege for other points of view? As asked above, what if one of the samples had lyrics that reflect a radical jihadist view that all Americans should be burned? Would that be given the same allowance and tolerance? What if the songs urged death to all Hindu gods? I know, I know, it’s your web site and you can do as you please. Still, it’s a valid question.
You’re right, this is an age old banter with no end in sight. I am not trying to start a war of the words or anything. I just think the least we can do is give all sides equal exposure, especially if the message is something we know to be controversial. Some people think that’s too much to ask. I think it’s better than censoring anything, and posting only instrumental gospel music is, in a narrow sense, a subtle, unintentional kind of censorhsip.
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ScottI will just point out that no EZkeys MIDI pack has lyrical content represented in any of the demos (Pop/Rock, Blues, or Gospel). I don’t think Toontrack was intentionally snubbing the EZkeys Gospel MIDI by not including demos with lyrics as, currently, no EZkeys MIDI pack has any lyrics in any demos.
Perhaps if Toontrack decides to release a Gospel EZmix pack, it will include ‘poignant gospel mania’ with lyrics.
I’m not trying to belittle your request, I’m just trying to more equally compare the 2 different products you are referring to (an EZmix pack and an EZkeys MIDI pack). There may be unbiased reasons why Toontrack decided not to include vocals on EZkeys MIDI pack demos and chose to include them in EZmix pack demos.
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
Roguepoint taken, and relaid to the relevant people. I am closing this thread not out of censorship but to avoid a debate that has nothing to do with music. But like I said point taken and IMO (an atheist who is not herein expressing the views of Toontrack) well argued.
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