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Explanation of how a high hat (eg VH-11) communicates with Superior 2.0.

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  • Rich Seaton
    Participant

    OK so further reading of the E-Drums PDF  shows that apparently it is the HATSTRIG articulation which is the most important (aside from the ClosedPedal articulation-but this is very easy to understand).
     
    So, one is supposed to enter all of the notes output by the hi-hat with pedal open, closed and in between (there are no specific notes for inbetween) under the Hatstrig articulation.
     
    So how does Superior 2.0 understand this? I think this is the key to understanding how this whole thing works.
     
    Thanks for following (and replying!)

    Don't worry, this won't hurt a bit...

    John
    Moderator

    Well,

    first you remove the trigger notes from the separate articulations; ‘Closed’, ‘Open 1’, etc. then you assign all notes coming from the edge of the Hihat to ‘HatsTrig’ and from the bow to ‘HatsTipTrig’. Should you have a Bell Zone on your hihat or (like I do it myself) a separate pad for it, you assign it to ‘HatsBellTrig’.
    When the notes hit Superior, the plugin knows which group it belongs to (HatsTrig, HatsTipTrig…) and varies the openness accordingly to how the pedal (sending CC4) is set.

    There are not that many notes for you to enter, BTW. IIRC about 5: Open and Closed Bow, Open and Closed Edge + the Pedal.
    The E-drum MIDI preset at the top of the E-drums Section of the Forum is set up to work with, among others, your TD-12 (if you haven’t changed the Factory Settings).

    Best Regards,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Rich Seaton
    Participant

    Hi John, thanks for reply and I really appreciate the explanation but actually this wasn’t what I was looking for! 🙂
     
    I had read of course the explanation for programming the hi-hat articulations.  In thinking I wanted this again I’m surprised you didn’t give me a good flaming!
     
    What I would like to know is how the Superior 2 software interprets the hi-hat notes and controller4 messages. 
     
    When we type in all the notes of the hi-hat under the hatsctrl articulation we don’t give any indication of which of these notes are hi-hat open and which are hi-hat slightly closed.  Of coursen it could be the CC4 messages which modify the note messages but how does Superior know this?
     
     
     
     

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    Rogue
    Moderator

    CC data sent from your module varies from 0 to 127, well if the controller’s design is adequate at least.

    Superior looks at the CC04 (or any controller defined in HatsCtrl) value at the time one of the Hats(Tip/Bell)Trig note is received and picks the appropriate sample pool type based on a (currently) factory specified table.

    Invariably, 0 corresponds to full open and 127 to fully closed (well tight to be exact, if it exists in the set)… what happens in between depends on the number of levels in the set.

    Best Regards, RM

    Rogue Marechal - Toontrack
    Configuration Manager

    Rich Seaton
    Participant

    Ahhhh, I see.  So it’s not the notes per se that tell Superior the hi-hat position, all they do is indicate that the hi-hat is being hit. 
     
    Presumably the factory table decodes whether the hit is bell or tip.  (And I imagine this factory table is not user definable by…er… definition?)
     
    And then the current CC4 value tells Superior which sample to play as far as how open/closed the hi-hat is.
     
     

    Don't worry, this won't hurt a bit...

    Rogue
    Moderator

    trigger position is defined separately, hence the existence of ‘HatsTrig’, ‘HatsTipTrig’ and ‘HatsBellTrig’. And no you cannot, currently, user define the thresholds.

    Best Regards, RM

    Rogue Marechal - Toontrack
    Configuration Manager

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